Hey, I've somewhat googled around and searched about Brad Hudson's coaching experience. I know he coached Dathan and some others, but are there any other big names he has coached? Pls inform.
Hey, I've somewhat googled around and searched about Brad Hudson's coaching experience. I know he coached Dathan and some others, but are there any other big names he has coached? Pls inform.
Jorge Torres
Jason Hartmann
Are his athletes still wearing Hoka's for recovery runs?
He should be the American Renato Canova. Get his books and read them.
He coached Tera Moody as well.
Shayne Culpepper
I have/read his (w/ Matt Fitzgerald) Run Faster book. It's good. Does he have any others? A quick scan of Amazon did not list any.
He coached me to my masters 10K PR. Technically it was his book, but it was like he was there with me.
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I have/read his (w/ Matt Fitzgerald) Run Faster book. It's good. Does he have any others? A quick scan of Amazon did not list any.
There's his "Little Black Book". Supposed to have some great info on actual athlete's training plans he's put together, but only published in very limited numbers. I'd love to get my hands on that!
Has he developed anyone long term? Honest question. You could argue that most of those athletes named were already pretty talented to begin with. But did they improve while he was coaching them and/or stay healthy in the process? I don't know with 100% certainty the answer to this, which is why I'm asking. But, based on an outside perception, Ritz had his best years under Salazar, Torres under Steve Jones, Hartman and Cabada both had their best marathons when they were self-coached. The athlete you could argue that developed the most would be Tera Moody because of her 2008 Trials finish, but she hasn't stayed healthy since that race (sleep deprivation issues aside). It seems like his current group of "elite" runners have taken a significant step backwards performance-wise after being in his system for at least a year. I'm not saying he's not knowledgeable, but getting talent is one thing, getting talent and having that talent improve long term is another. The self-reported argument of "well his book helped me to my best 10k PR" is also not a strong case either because if you take anyone who was being inconsistently trained or not trained in a structured system and then provide them with a plan, they should in theory improve. This is of course the assumption that someone following a plan from a book wasn't being trained in a structured system to begin with. But, let's be honest if you're following a training plan from a book, then there's a strong likelihood you weren't in a structured system before buying the book. I don't mean to pick on Brad, but that's what this thread is about so he's an easy target. The mark of a good coach isn't coaching talent but continuously showing that they can improve the talent that they have. Look at the track records of coaches like Mark Wetmore, Al Carius, Robert Gary and Frank Gagliano, who consistently develop talent that they get (meaning improve the talent that the athlete has presently demonstrated). Neither of them has written a book, but they are definitely showing repeated success improving athletes above their initial ability. Just because someone like Brad, or Steve Magness (who's book is very good), or the Hanson's, or Greg McMillan write a book, we shouldn't automatically crown them experts and phenomenal coaches. They should ultimately be judged by their ability to develop athletes long term (not just in one or two races) and keep them healthy. They should be improving the ability of the athlete to a state better over time than where the athlete was before they came. And I'm sorry I'm not sorry that I don't see that with the professional athletes Brad has coached, regardless of whether he wrote a book or not.
Fernando Cabada
You can find Hudson on Facebook. He posts a a fair amount of info/pics publicly.
Brad Hudson went to my high school and set course records at Van Cortlandt Park and Holmdel Park during his tenure there.
He was known for his somewhat ridiculous training methods - my coach used to tell me that he would look outside during the school day to see him running on the track during class. Evidently he was running 120+ miles a week a four times a day. Sounds somewhat Canova-like to me.
and you know shite about nothing!
A friend of mine was coached by him...beware of overtraining... he's in the results below:
Sun May 7, 2000 Pittsburgh, PA
Standards: 2:20 (A); 2:22 (B)
Qualifiers: 114
Starters: 99
Finishers: 78
Like the Women's Trials race in Columbia, the U.S. Men's Olympic Marathon Trials faced difficult weather conditions and a challenging course. At the start, the temperature was 61 degrees and the humidity 84 percent and as the day progressed it got worse. After several frontrunners, Peter DeLaCerda pushed the pace at 15 miles and went for a sub 2:14 time (the Olympic "A" standard). After 20 miles, Rod DeHaven began to gain on DeLaCerda as his lead shrunk to 23 seconds. At mile 22, DeHaven cut DeLaCerda's lead to just 8 seconds. At 1:55:28 into the race, DeHaven took the lead from the Alamosa, Colo. resident who did not respond to the move.
DeLaCerda, however, began a comeback during the 24th mile, running just 2 seconds behind the third fastest qualifier. DeHaven, 33, from Madison, Wisc. responded and picked up the pace with a 4:56 mile, stretching his lead to 13 seconds over DeLaCerda.
The computer programmer continued to stretch his lead and won easily in 2:15:30. DeLaCerda finished second in 2:16:18, with 1996 Olympian Mark Coogan 3rd in 2:17:04. "It was a race of attrition, and that's the way it was. I'm ecstatic but in a sad way because I'm the only one (who qualified for the Olympics). It's a bittersweet feeling," said the South Dakota State graduate.
Three men in the top 10 set personal records:
DeLaCerda, Stolz and Campbell.
1. DeHaven, Rod (Madison WI) 2:15:30 $ 40,000 + $ 35,000 bonus
2. Delacerda, Peter (Alamosa CO) 2:16:18 $ 25,000
3. Coogan, Mark (Frederick CO) 2:17:04 $ 20,000
4. Larson, Scott (Boulder CO) 2:17:15 $ 17,500
5. Hellebuyck, Eddy (Albuquerque NM) 2:18:30 $ 15,000
6. Scudamore, David (Davis CA) 2:18:38 $ 10,000
7. Stolz, Gary (Belmont CA) 2:18:46 $ 9,000
8. Campbell, Jeff (Alamosa CO) 2:19:18 $ 8,000
9. Martinez, Danny (Alhambra CA) 2:19:38 $ 7,000
10. Mitchell, Teddy (Alamosa CO) 2:20:33 $ 6,000
11. Verran, Clint (Rochester Hil MI) 2:20:45 $ 5,500
12. Mortenson, Kelly (Colorado Spri CO) 2:20:55 $ 5,000
13. Lawson, Craig (Sandy UT) 2:21:01 $ 4,500
14. Kieser, Fred (Lakewood OH) 2:21:12 $ 4,000
15. Dudley, Mike (Boulder CO) 2:21:27 $ 3,500
16. Hume, Jon (Lakewood CO) 2:21:53 $ 3,000
17. Jacobs, Jeff (Roscoe IL) 2:22:13 $ 2,500
18. Cox, Josh (El Cajon CA) 2:22:30 $ 2,000
19. Jeffrey, Tom (Waynesboro VA) 2:22:41 $ 1,500
20. Wenneborg, Greg (Tucson AZ) 2:22:47 $ 1,000
21. Alberts, Winston (Louisville CO) 2:23:07
22. Mayer, Dan (Naperville IL) 2:23:44
23. Hammer, Peter (Newton MA) 2:23:55
24. Masters, Bob (Toledo OH) 2:24:10
25. Johnson, Weldon (Flagstaff AZ) 2:24:55
26. Langan, Christopher (Wykoff NJ) 2:25:03
27. Dimoff, John (Portland OR) 2:25:27
28. Guillen, Rene (Mission TX) 2:25:38
29. Simonaitis, Dennis (Salt Lake Cit UT) 2:26:08
30. Zimmerman, Paul (Portland OR) 2:26:18
31. Apodaca, Filomeno (Las Cruces NM) 2:26:22
32. Marcus, David (Minneapolis MN) 2:27:06
33. Gough, Dan (Newport RI) 2:28:13
34. Watson, Nicholas (Ann Arbor MI) 2:28:28
35. General, Darrell (Mitchellville MD) 2:28:41
36. Nuccio, Carl (Rockford IL) 2:29:02
37. Kimball, Will (Anchorage AK) 2:29:13
38. Morris, David (Albuquerque NM) 2:29:26
39. Reed, Danny (Laguna Niguel CA) 2:30:04
40. Slinskey, Mike (Cheswick NY) 2:30:10
41. Williams, Todd (Knoxville TN) 2:30:18
42. Sence, John (Cincinnati OH) 2:30:18
43. Morrison, Eric (Lakewood CO) 2:30:37
44. Sandercock, Matthew (Upper Darby PA) 2:30:41
45. Bunn, Fred (Grand Rapids MI) 2:30:54
46. Jasperson, Phil (Olympia WA) 2:30:55
47. Sepulveda, Rene (Dallas TX) 2:31:20
48. Fitch, Michael (Richmond VA) 2:31:30
49. Ashley, Randy (Brevard NC) 2:31:48
50. Keiser, Kurt (Omaha NE) 2:31:57
51. McGlynn, Thomas (Redwood Shore CA) 2:32:03
52. Solof, Ian (Portland OR) 2:32:18
53. Bodnar, Jason (Fort Lauderda FL) 2:32:42
54. Fraij, Tony (Grand Rapids MI) 2:32:44
55. Castillo, Phillip (Alamosa CO) 2:34:22
56. Lutz, Brantley (Albuquerque NM) 2:35:02
57. Murray, Guy (Farmington Hi MI) 2:35:16
58. Brantly, Keith (Fort Lauderda FL) 2:36:00
59. Gall, Scott (Colorado Spri CO) 2:36:37
60. Redding, Tom (Oaklyn NJ) 2:36:40
61. Lemay, Joe (Danbury CT) 2:36:42
62. McVeigh, Joe (Summit NJ) 2:36:54
63. Devlin, Rob (Columbia SC) 2:37:39
64. Weigel, John (Naperville IL) 2:38:31
65. Honea, David (Raleigh NC) 2:39:17
66. Simmons, Bob (Iowa City IA) 2:39:18
67. Hudson, Brad (Boulder CO) 2:40:19
68. Olenek, Derek (Bartlett IL) 2:41:21
69. Lentz, Thomas (Cincinnati OH) 2:42:18
70. Jones, Tim (Loveland CO) 2:42:42
71. Newman, Mark (Germantown TN) 2:43:51
72. Reeder, Rob (Los Altos Hil CA) 2:46:03
73. Paradelo, Carlos (Flagstaff AZ) 2:46:32
74. Stopen, Keith (Roseville MI) 2:47:41
75. Lawson, Jerry (Boulder CO) 2:47:42
76. Morganti, Jeff (Manlius NY) 2:49:51
77. Collins, Kevin (Indianapolis IN) 2:50:44
78. Hill, John (Bellevue WA) 2:52:11
+10
Enlighten Me Please wrote:
Look at the track records of coaches like Mark Wetmore, Al Carius, Robert Gary and Frank Gagliano
Just because you're the fastest runner doesn't mean that you'll be the best coach. A lot of times it's the opposite because the less talented runners had to use their brains more instead of coasting on talent.
I trained with him briefly (more like he let me run with his main group) a couple summers ago. I agree with the caveat about over training. He incorporates a lot of intense workouts in each week. When I was out in Boulder, most of the girls' schedule were run, eat, sleep. It was very time intensive. I've watched a lot of his athletes plateau (mostly girls) or just fade, and I'm not aware of anyone who he has coached exclusively to long term success. Maybe it's just limitations of the natural talent pool with which he is working. That said, I think he has a lot of good training ideas and is one hell of a nice guy.
He ran on the US Team at the World Championships in 1991. He was a darn good runner, all-American top 10 at the NCAA XC Champs for Oregon in late 80's and I think ran around a 2:17 marathon as a junior athlete. I think he ran in maybe 3-4 Olympic Trials.
James Carney
2:12 Marathon
27:43 10k
4th in the 10k at '08 Oly Trials.
And one hell of a model American.
Hudson ran 2:13 twice among other achievements.
Very knowledgeable and passionate, bordering on obsessed with running. Loves the sport, not motivated by money. Will give you his all, placing your training above everything (if you're talented).
What he did in training in hs and college essentially serves as a model of what he doesn't perscribe for anyone to replicate.
He will coach you to try reach lofty goals, which requires hard training. More than likely you'll fail. However, you could find yourself as the next star marathoner for USA.
He's slightly insane and hyperactive. Probably good traits for a coach. I mean really, who would dedicate your life to running if you were normal?