9 am ET Thursday morning: Official 2nd WADA Press Conference Live Discussion Thread - How bad will it be?

wow factor , not

still an absolute silence on igf-1 lr3 use in athletics

where would the sprints and many events be without it

i will start to listen when start talking

Actually I'm going for false dichotomy.Effective anti-doping units are necessarily independent.Updates on on-going corruption status doesn't come up in board meetings.Corruption can also be hidden from an ethics commission.In 2011-2012 timeframe, Coe was focused on London Olympics, not Russia or anti-doping.But I'm willing to listen to a reasoned defence -- make the case for your expectations about what you think Coe should have known in his FIFA and IAAF roles.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Or you have the wrong expectation of an IAAF VP and the FIFA ethics commission.

Corruption tends to be kept a secret, even from VPs and head of the ethics commission.

So you are going with incompetence. OK.

Coe's leadership was on dodgy ground when his links with Nike and the handing of the World Championships were exposed. This is just more mud and you get the feeling that this won't be the last.

I find it strange that he's been given such a big thumbs up from Pound when most of us will be thinking that he must have known about the Russians and did nothing. That will never change and will overshadow every decision he makes on doping.

As for this criticism of The Times and the German documentary team and their leaked list, that's akin to shooting the messenger. Without the leak, there would have been no ban of Russia and no conference yesterday.

When will the report on Kenyan doping issue. Or is it not relevant and not going to happen . Total joke. Russia gets the boot and other similarly bad nations get off scot free

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/17/iaaf-kenya-investigation-doping-allegations

How can such a country with no testing systems be allowed compete at present?

Why no suspension and investigation now ?

aduck2022 wrote:

wow factor , not

still an absolute silence on igf-1 lr3 use in athletics

where would the sprints and many events be without it

i will start to listen when start talking

It was not the job of the WADA Investigating Commission to look into that.

'In 2011-2012 timeframe, Coe was focused on London Olympics, not Russia or anti-doping.'

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Then he should have stood down from the IAAF at that time

'But I'm willing to listen to a reasoned defence -- make the case for your expectations about what you think Coe should have known in his FIFA and IAAF roles.'

Under FIFA he was the Chairman of the ethics comittee it was entire job to know about it.

teahouse wrote:

When will the report on Kenyan doping issue. Or is it not relevant and not going to happen . Total joke. Russia gets the boot and other similarly bad nations get off scot free

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/17/iaaf-kenya-investigation-doping-allegations

How can such a country with no testing systems be allowed compete at present?

Why no suspension and investigation now ?

I know nothing less than a blanket ban for Kenya would have satiated you, but *spoiler alert* I can save you the trouble of wondering what any report on Kenya will say:

1. Other than individual cases of athletes, coaches or agents, no evidence of systematic, institutionalised or government-backed doping in Kenya as was the case in Russia.

2. Kenya's anti-doping systems severely inadequate and wanting but not unique amongst similar developing countries. While Rita Jeptoo, Matthew Kosorio, the sprinters Koki and Zakary and others were caught during out of competition testing, recommendations put forward to strengthen testing which Kenya has already started implementing.

You're welcome.

rekrunner wrote:

Or you have the wrong expectation of an IAAF VP and the FIFA ethics commission.

Corruption tends to be kept a secret, even from VPs and head of the ethics commission.

So we abandon any hope. Current corruption (like Coe already taking bribes) will remain secret and the current crop of VPs won't notice anything. And since you haven't shown us a single anti-corruption achievement by Coe as VP because according to you he was busy elsewhere at the time it begs the question how he can at the same time be the best man in the world, apparently, to lead an anti-corruption charge now.

Its not enough. The movement of Kenyan athletes should be restricted until adequate anti doping is in place. IE, they should have to live and train in Nairobi, being tested every day by what systems exist in Kenya until this is done.

Quotes from Coe showing contrition which some will say is too little too late.

"The moment I became president [in August], the IAAF was being criticised for all sorts of things. If, on occasions, my language has been clumsy, I apologise. It's never meant to be.

I know how serious this is. The overall issue about whether or not we are in an organisation that has failed, I tell you we have. I know that. We are a failed organisation.

I'm sorry if my language has in any way demonstrated a sort of a lack of understanding about the depth of this."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14206249.Lord_Coe_backed_to_continued_as_IAAF_president_despite_leading__failed_organisation_/?ref=arc

Renato Canova wrote:

If IAAF releases the names of all the athletes already with a Biological Passport, people can see how many Kenyans and Ethiopians are included, and can see they are clean, because the "smart athletes" able to dope but to escape from right controls can be only athletes who don't have a Biological Passport.

Smart Athletes can just as easily dope with a biological passport

This was demonstrated recently during the Al Sal controversy

East African athletes with a biological passport have the further advantage of being out of range of blood testing for long periods of time

For Instance Mo Farah recently compalined about the East African drug testing regime yet is now spending 6 weeks in ethiopia where it can reasonably be assumed he is not subject to testing(blood anyway)

And surely you know this?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'In 2011-2012 timeframe, Coe was focused on London Olympics, not Russia or anti-doping.'

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Then he should have stood down from the IAAF at that time

'But I'm willing to listen to a reasoned defence -- make the case for your expectations about what you think Coe should have known in his FIFA and IAAF roles.'

Under FIFA he was the Chairman of the ethics comittee it was entire job to know about it.

As chair of the FIFA ethics committee he brought not one single case to conclusion.

You can say that it was hidden from him but FIFA corruption at the time was being widely written about in the newspapers including by Andrew Jennings. Everybody knew about it. Except Coe, apparently.

Alongside being elected chairman of the British Olympic Association (BOA) in 2012, he [coe] has also became Executive Chairman of CSM Sports & Entertainment, a company bought by Chime Communications from Sebastian Coe for £12 million. One of CSM’s customers has been Baku and officials from the totalitarian regime in Azerbaijan. CSM worked out the bid book for Baku in their wish for the Summer Olympics and have helped Baku secure the heavily criticised European Games, arranged for the first time this summer.

According to world leading anti-corruption journalist, German Jens Weinreich, Sebastian Coe voted for Baku to become the host of the European Games while at the same time profiting economically by awarding the Games to Ilham Aliyev and his despotic family in Azerbaijan. Furthermore, CSM helped convince UEFA and Michel Platini into giving Baku four of the matches during the European Championship in football in 2020. Sebastian Coe has denied any conflict of interest.

Thanks for link - truly sad to see these indications that coe is wrapped up with all the other scumbags. I don't see anything changing.

It shouldn't be this hard to have clean administration of the purest sport (conceptually) in existence.

larkimm wrote:

Quotes from Coe showing contrition which some will say is too little too late.

"The moment I became president [in August], the IAAF was being criticised for all sorts of things. If, on occasions, my language has been clumsy, I apologise. It's never meant to be.

I know how serious this is. The overall issue about whether or not we are in an organisation that has failed, I tell you we have. I know that. We are a failed organisation.

I'm sorry if my language has in any way demonstrated a sort of a lack of understanding about the depth of this."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14206249.Lord_Coe_backed_to_continued_as_IAAF_president_despite_leading__failed_organisation_/?ref=arc

Again with the ignorance plea.

How can anyone get so far in life knowing so little? Because it's not true.

just sayin wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

If IAAF releases the names of all the athletes already with a Biological Passport, people can see how many Kenyans and Ethiopians are included, and can see they are clean, because the "smart athletes" able to dope but to escape from right controls can be only athletes who don't have a Biological Passport.

Smart Athletes can just as easily dope with a biological passport

This was demonstrated recently during the Al Sal controversy

East African athletes with a biological passport have the further advantage of being out of range of blood testing for long periods of time

For Instance Mo Farah recently compalined about the East African drug testing regime yet is now spending 6 weeks in ethiopia where it can reasonably be assumed he is not subject to testing(blood anyway)

And surely you know this?

If you haven't read the IAAF's own report, then you should. You'll realize being smart just doesn't matter. If someone powerful enough at the IAAF wants you positive, it happens.

If they want you never testing positive, that happens too. See Papa Diack's email to Coe's assistant about the Russian positives with Saugy their backup plan.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

If you haven't read the IAAF's own report, then you should. You'll realize being smart just doesn't matter. If someone powerful enough at the IAAF wants you positive, it happens.

If they want you never testing positive, that happens too. See Papa Diack's email to Coe's assistant about the Russian positives with Saugy their backup plan.

I've read the report, and you are massively over-playing this to pander to your pet theory that there are athletes with protected status, something for which there has never been any hint of.

The athletes for whom the corrupt activities were intended to benefit were not favoured sons and daughters of the IAAF, they were individuals whose personal circumstances and countries of origin enabled flawed governance and management processes to be abused in order for financial greed to be satisfied.

If Ashenden and Parisotto can be big enough to accept that some of their criticisms and assumptions about the IAAF were wrong (as they have done), then I think forum posters here should do the same.