Victor Conte more likely told the truth.
Victor Conte more likely told the truth.
agip wrote:
not sure I understand.
Are they saying Coe knew of the blackmail and extortion?
Yes. And then Pound proclaims Cie fit to lead the IAAF.
Move on, nothing to see here, says Dick Pound. We have it all under control.
I tried to ask a question. I hit *1 but my phone was on mute. Does that also mute star 1? i hit it again but they didn't take my call.
I would have tried to ask.
1) Mr. Pound, Why should we have so much confidence in Coe? Are you aware of the IAAF Ethics commission in 2007? He didn't come close to uncovering one of the biggest sports scandals then or now in his role as VP of the IAAF.
2) Mr. Pound, You said there would be a 'wow' factor to this report. Can you tell me what that is? This seems largely a regurgitation of what we already knew.
3) On a positive note, would you say the fact that Shobukhova testing positive is a sign the system works? A woman paid hundreds of thousands and ultimately she still was busted.
You are clueless wrote:
Victor Conte more likely told the truth.
I have a hard time believing in the credibility of either of these two men, so I have a hard time figuring out which one of them is lying (or if they both are).
There you go wrote:
There you go, Jonathan. Notice how he first claimed he didn't hear your question.
You should ask him about the Steve Mullins situation, where WADA refused to perform DNA testing on samples Steve claimed were not his.
Looks like they are only taking one more question. They could easily take a few more questions.
Complete whitewash.
Wada doesn't test. Whomever sanctioned him is refusing.. If I recall right, it's Jamaica's track and field federation.
Did you read the IAAF's own report? They knew Shubokova's agreement to sanction was forged and sanctioned her anyway.
The WOW factor is that this committee has finally found one person on earth who didn't suspect rampant doping in Russia ----- Lord Coe.
The Steve Mullins case is especially damning. He asked for a simple DNA test to be performed on his samples, claiming he was innocent and the samples couldn't be his, and WADA flatly refused him.
The Mullins case shows the ugly side of Jamaican athletics. After Mullins earned a spot on the Jamaican Worlds team, he was approached by two other sprinters and their coaches demanding he give up his spot to them. When he refused, his sample then tested positive. The Jamaican athletics establishment likes to portray themselves as happy go lucky team players who care about Jamaican sports, but in reality most of them are nothing more than a bunch of thugs and gangsters. Look at Usain Bolt's recent call to release a criminal from jail, what is that all about?
BS. WADA could have applied pressure in that case.
That was kind of a waste of time.
Clean the books, scrap the records.
Require a test of every athlete at any moment within three weeks of competing at the Olympic Games, testing when they arrive to get credentials and testing post-competition regardless of performance. Any federation with athletes failing tests will be fined heavily, the athlete will receive a life-time ban from the sport in any capacity and the sport goes on.
There's your start Seb Coe.
The Titanic is nearing the iceberg....
Paula Radcliffe looks like the Lance Armstrong of women's marathoning. 2:15:25 smashing all the "dopers". Are you kidding me?
Conte was busted. He no longer has anything to lose. He has been forthright with providing what he knows about doping. I trust him more than Dick Pound who is a bureaucrat covering his *ss and doing what his superiors instruct him to do. So what if Conte is seeking publicity, that is what everyone in the game does. He knows a lot more about doping than Dick Pound ever will. Dick Pound is not a scientist, he is a lawyer by profession.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
agip wrote:not sure I understand.
Are they saying Coe knew of the blackmail and extortion?
Yes. And then Pound proclaims Cie fit to lead the IAAF.
nah, Pound pretty clearly said that he doesn't think Coe was lying when he claimed ignorance.
Although there were multiple crimes so not sure which ones coe was claiming igniroance of.
Good Kenya story tied to today's WADA conference:
Conte has nothing to lose wrote:
Conte was busted. He no longer has anything to lose. He has been forthright with providing what he knows about doping. I trust him more than Dick Pound who is a bureaucrat covering his *ss and doing what his superiors instruct him to do. So what if Conte is seeking publicity, that is what everyone in the game does. He knows a lot more about doping than Dick Pound ever will. Dick Pound is not a scientist, he is a lawyer by profession.
I really don't think he does. Conte is also not a scientist by profession. He is a drum player and marketer. He is great at marketing (including himself).
I honestly don't know what he has provided or said, except for his public comments, most of which can't be confirmed.
Mullins case is damning wrote:
The Steve Mullins case...
The Mullins case... After Mullins..
It's Mullings. Mullings.
Coe is certainly a D-bag, but even if he knew about the corruption in IAAF he had to keep his mouth shut and get Diack's endorsement to have any chance of becoming IAAF President. So I would actually overlook Coe's knowledge of corruption at IAAF. If Coe had come forward, his move would have been seen by African and third world countries as an attack on one of their own. Coe may be sleazy, but he knows how to play politics.
Coe is sleazy, but... wrote:
Coe is certainly a D-bag, but even if he knew about the corruption in IAAF he had to keep his mouth shut and get Diack's endorsement to have any chance of becoming IAAF President. So I would actually overlook Coe's knowledge of corruption at IAAF. If Coe had come forward, his move would have been seen by African and third world countries as an attack on one of their own. Coe may be sleazy, but he knows how to play politics.
This is an "end justifies the means" argument. Coe certainly knows how to play politics. He also knows how to ignore corruption (chair of the FIFA ethics committee). The problem is that the same dynamics that would have led him to ignore Diack's misdeeds would still be in play, so there is absolutely no chance he is likely to clean up IAAF.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Coe is sleazy, but... wrote:Coe is certainly a D-bag, but even if he knew about the corruption in IAAF he had to keep his mouth shut and get Diack's endorsement to have any chance of becoming IAAF President. So I would actually overlook Coe's knowledge of corruption at IAAF. If Coe had come forward, his move would have been seen by African and third world countries as an attack on one of their own. Coe may be sleazy, but he knows how to play politics.
This is an "end justifies the means" argument. Coe certainly knows how to play politics. He also knows how to ignore corruption (chair of the FIFA ethics committee). The problem is that the same dynamics that would have led him to ignore Diack's misdeeds would still be in play, so there is absolutely no chance he is likely to clean up IAAF.
It's also highly unlikely that this is what happened.
WADA could have helped wrote:
BS. WADA could have applied pressure in that case.
No. They are a standards enforcement body. This is just like Radcliffe asking Pound to exonerate her. They don't have anything to do with that.
The administration of doping sanctions belongs exclusively the sports federation. You'll note that in Armstrong's story, it was the National Anti-Doping Org, not WADA who produced the recommendation to sanction.
larkimm wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:This is an "end justifies the means" argument. Coe certainly knows how to play politics. He also knows how to ignore corruption (chair of the FIFA ethics committee). The problem is that the same dynamics that would have led him to ignore Diack's misdeeds would still be in play, so there is absolutely no chance he is likely to clean up IAAF.
It's also highly unlikely that this is what happened.
Sebastian, how do you have time to post here and run the IAAF?
That's the blunt politics of the situation.