Daily debate: If Rudisha, Kiprop, Kemboi, or Farah tested positive - which one would upset you the most? The least?

ironside wrote:

I don't think this is a fair post. All these men have is their integrity. This is exactly the same as asking which of four men beat their wives or rape their children. If one has specific evidence against anyone, bring it. If one has over whelming circumstantial evidence, bring it.

They in no way implied that one of these 4 runners are actually doping. The question is 'Which would upset you the most if one were to test positive'.

There is no evidence in T&F that athletes are beating thier wives or raping their children so your analogy makes no sense whatsoever. To deny that T&F has a doping problem (and sports in general) is simply sticking your head the sand.

Making narrow speculation regarding the four men mentioned and stating I may be denying doping in track & field are both ridiculous. If we were to ask about Kenyan athletes in general. If we were to ask about Nike trained athlete like Farah, that's a fair honest debate. Read my opinions over the past three months before you suggest I have my head stuck in the sand regarding doping in track & field.

ALL of these guys are dirty as sin. I'd LOVE to see them all popped and see the East African cartels brought down.

A clean sport would be great. There'd be more diversity among the runners and the cleanest men on the planet (the Japanese) would finally get a chance to shine.

Reasons to speculate and suggest PED use:

1) abnormal & significant improvement;

2) significant improvement in late twenties;

3) training partners & teammates testing positive;

4) document show there was illegal drug use;

5) doctor which one has visited gets arrested for fraud;

6) trainer gets arrested for fraud;

7) coach gets arrested for fraud.

8) mysterious & chronic illnesses.

I am sure there are other reasons to speculate or suggest PED use.

HOWEVER....the thing about farah and salazar is that Mo Farah basically had the same resume/PBs as Matt Tegenkamp before joining Al Sal.then he became unstoppable.it's not like the competition fizzled off that much.that's what "defies belief"why didn't everyone at his level suddenly start winning all of the races?

Hhcu wrote:

ScottEvil wrote:

Least: Farah. I have said this a million times but his transition from "not in medal contention " in 2010 to "nigh-unbeatable" from 2011-2015 defies belief. If the things he and Salazar credit with getting him there -- lifting, nutrition, pace of easy runs -- could create that kind of change, everyone would be doing it. The prior likelihood of that being true was just so low.

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It only defies belief if you believe in that incorrect idea a million times. Farah is winning now because all of the real competition has left. Bekele himself even said this.

Your other idea about "everybody would be doing it" makes no sense. How would everyone be doing it without knowing exactly what they are doing????

Rudisha is the only one of these that I'm a fan of, and might be a little upset by.

Kiprop and Kemboi I don't really care about, so wouldn't upset me really.

Farah I do not like and believe he is doping, and want him to get busted asap.

jamitsadvice wrote:

Farah testing positive would bring me great joy.

The after-effects hilarity would be epic. Farah will go down swinging. His Freud Communications PR team will spend at least a million pounds of Farah's loot, in an wasted effort to sway public opinion to protect the Mo-brand.

Not a single pence of Farah's loot will ever be paid back.

Hhcu wrote:

It only defies belief if you believe in that incorrect idea a million times. Farah is winning now because all of the real competition has left. Bekele himself even said this.

That's not true at all.

The Paris 5k in 2012 was the most competitive 5k in history. Up until that point, only 10 men had run under 12:50. In that race alone, six new men went under 12:50. Mo has faced deeper competition than either Geb or Bekele did and he has routinely beat them all.

Bekele can say whatever he wants, but the facts don't match up with what you claim he said.

Rudisha most, Kiprop least. Kiprop is the classic cocky doper/wife beater. He'll end his career in a fire ball.

reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:

The Paris 5k in 2012 was the most competitive 5k in history. Up until that point, only 10 men had run under 12:50. In that race alone, six new men went under 12:50. Mo has faced deeper competition than either Geb or Bekele did and he has routinely beat them all....

What????? Farah has never sniffed sub 12:50. Geb or Bekele have faced much better competition than Farah ever has. That is a fact. Farah has done nothing to prove he can out-kick top runners in a mid 12:40's 5k race.

unreader v1.1 wrote:

reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:

The Paris 5k in 2012 was the most competitive 5k in history. Up until that point, only 10 men had run under 12:50. In that race alone, six new men went under 12:50. Mo has faced deeper competition than either Geb or Bekele did and he has routinely beat them all....

What????? Farah has never sniffed sub 12:50. Geb or Bekele have faced much better competition than Farah ever has. That is a fact. Farah has done nothing to prove he can out-kick top runners in a mid 12:40's 5k race.

You're arguing against something I never wrote.

I didn't say "Mo has run under 12:50." I didn't say "Mo has proven he can out-kick the top runners in a mid 12:40s 5k."

I was arguing against the claim someone else made saying "all of the real competition has left."

I agree 100%

Wtfunny wrote:

How does a discussion like this, in any way help the sport?

None of these guys have ever returned a positive sample. Even the "rumors" about Farah have more to do with his coach and little, if anything, actually directed towards him.

This kind of gossipy dribbling by anonymous trolls is one thing, but served up on a forum by the site hosts is miserable.

This thread is what's wrong with 80% of people on letsrun.

ijenns318 wrote:

This thread is what's wrong with 80% of people on letsrun.

This type of thread is one of the only reason why I stil come to Letsrun!

If Kemboi, Farah or Kiprop were caught doping it might end up shedding some light on how they do the super-skeleton thing. But it's probably legal, whatever it is. And Kiprop may just naturally be that skinny.

reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:

unreader v1.1 wrote:

What????? Farah has never sniffed sub 12:50. Geb or Bekele have faced much better competition than Farah ever has. That is a fact. Farah has done nothing to prove he can out-kick top runners in a mid 12:40's 5k race.

You're arguing against something I never wrote.

I didn't say "Mo has run under 12:50." I didn't say "Mo has proven he can out-kick the top runners in a mid 12:40s 5k."

I was arguing against the claim someone else made saying "all of the real competition has left."

Mo has never run in the 12:40s. When did he prove "he can out-kick the top runners in a mid 12:40s 5k."?

ironside wrote:

Reasons to speculate and suggest PED use:

1) abnormal & significant improvement;

2) significant improvement in late twenties;

3) training partners & teammates testing positive;

4) document show there was illegal drug use;

5) doctor which one has visited gets arrested for fraud;

6) trainer gets arrested for fraud;

7) coach gets arrested for fraud.

8) mysterious & chronic illnesses.

I am sure there are other reasons to speculate or suggest PED use.

But no speculation was made about these 4 runners so your point is moot.

Radish would be the only one that upset me.

The other two I don't believe are clean already.

Autologus madness wrote:

[quote]ijenns318 wrote:

This thread is what's wrong with 80% of people on letsrun.

This type of thread is one of the only reason why I stil come to Letsrun!

This thread is exactly why the ambiance has become so toxic, thanks in part to TPTB, and why it's only fun nowadays to post when there's an actual competition going on.