Push Up Frequency Debate

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  • letsbang
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 10:15am CST
    re: Ez10Miler
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    Ez10Miler wrote:

    Runningart2004 wrote:

    25 a day, or let's say one max set a day you can do everyday. When you actually start doing a workout with multiple sets then you'll need rest.

    A typical bodyweight workout might be:

    10 pull-ups
    20 push-ups
    30 squats
    10 sets as quickly as possible

    Alan

    I do this weekly. It will kick your tail.


    Ahh the classic Murph. Throw on a 25lbs weight vest to make it legit.
  • Chill
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 11:21am CST
    re: letsbang
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    You're not doing hardcore amounts, you don't need to worry about recovery or be a slave/OCD to you strength training days. Figure out weekly total (75?) and just get it done whenever, on commercial breaks, waiting for microwave, at the bus stop in front of some hotties etc. If it's 3 days in a row, no big deal, you get 4 days off, you'll still be better off then the average couch potato.

    If you're bored, mix it up once in awhile with clap pushups, diamond pushups, spidermans etc.

    FWIW Usain Bolt does 4500 crunches a week, 1000 on easy days, 500 on hard, no rest days.
  • for what it's worth
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    4 years ago 12/30/2015 1:32pm CST
    re: coach
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    Worked a job where I lifted everyday. Retired fairly young. Every spring I would up my "hobby jogger" miles and eventually would develope some nagging condition. Started with push ups and sit ups and over a year and a half added about 8 more body weight exercises. Haven't had a single issue since. I do at least one set six days a week.
    My son who runs XC and track D-1 hated doing weight days because he was always sore after. He has been doing the exercises that I put together and lifts
    2 to 3 days. He was the only one on his XC team that didn't see the trainer this past XC season. Six days a week seems to be working for us.
  • Ohio Bowling
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 2:06pm CST
    re: Runningart2004
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    Runningart2004 wrote:

    25 a day, or let's say one max set a day you can do everyday. When you actually start doing a workout with multiple sets then you'll need rest.

    A typical bodyweight workout might be:

    10 pull-ups
    20 push-ups
    30 squats
    10 sets as quickly as possible


    Alan

    So this is one set? And you want someone to do ten of these as fast as they can?
    Are we talking real pull ups and push ups or crossfit style?
    Big difference.
  • new lifter
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 2:35pm CST
    re: Sallly Vixxxx
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    Sallly Vixxxx wrote:

    new lifter wrote:

    You do not need "recovery" from any body weight exercise you are doing dozens of consecutively like push-ups and core stuff. Do every day. Do once a year. Whatever. But recovery and "rest days" are meaningless for push-ups.

    If you do many (400 to 1200 a day) you DO need recovery. 25 ... sure - you don't.


    If you are doing 1200 push-ups as a workout, you need a brain, not recovery.

    Even doing 30 per minute continuously, which you aren't, this would take 40 minutes. On what? Core, chest and triceps? I can think of about 100 things that would be a better use of time for a runner in any event from sprints to marathon.

    If you want to increase strength, do a real strength routine. That will take recovery.

    For whatever other goals you might be addressing with your idiotic 1200 push-ups, there are better ways to achieve it.
  • Bolt on me
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 8:44pm CST
    re: Chill
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    Chill wrote:
    FWIW Usain Bolt does 4500 crunches a week, 1000 on easy days, 500 on hard, no rest days.

    Bolt trains hard 5 days a week? 2 easy days- 2000 total, 5 hard days- 2500 total.
  • Bring Back the 880
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 8:54pm CST
    re: markschultz25
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    "Walker has participated in a variety of sports including football, Olympic bobsledding, track and field, taekwondo, and ballet dancing. Instead of lifting weights, he has a daily regimen of 750 to 1,500 push-ups and 2,000 sit-ups.[62] He has been going through this same routine since high school.[63]"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker
  • brutus beefcake
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 9:08pm CST
    re: markschultz25
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    brutus recommend the mighty bench press to make better 4K time

    nothing beats mighty bench press for chesticular development

    mighty bench press not to be trifled with and require long rest period
  • Negro is not racist
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 9:14pm CST
    re: markschultz25
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    markschultz25 wrote:

    Did all of the advice take into account the type of push ups im doing? I keep the down position for 2 usually closer to 3 seconds. So by the 10th rep I am already feeling a burn. Would that make a difference in rest days?

    Hey Schultzy,
    Maybe you should find out what workouts folks do in prison? Those negros are RIPPED!
  • Runningart2004
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    4 years ago 12/30/2015 9:14pm CST
    re: Ohio Bowling
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    Ohio Bowling wrote:

    Runningart2004 wrote:

    25 a day, or let's say one max set a day you can do everyday. When you actually start doing a workout with multiple sets then you'll need rest.

    A typical bodyweight workout might be:

    10 pull-ups
    20 push-ups
    30 squats
    10 sets as quickly as possible


    Alan

    So this is one set? And you want someone to do ten of these as fast as they can?
    Are we talking real pull ups and push ups or crossfit style?
    Big difference.


    Real push-ups, real pull-ups, real squats.

    Pull-ups will be hardest. I suggest deloading pull-ups, let your feet touch the ground and reload for each pullup.


    Alan
  • Q for runningart
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 9:26pm CST
    re: Runningart2004
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    What's a real pull-up? Arms straight, 45 degrees, 90 degrees?
  • fisky
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    4 years ago 12/30/2015 9:59pm CST
    re: Runningart2004
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    Runningart2004 wrote:
    A typical bodyweight workout might be:

    10 pull-ups
    20 push-ups
    30 squats
    10 sets as quickly as possible


    Alan

    Alan, why pull-ups instead of chin-ups? We seldom do pull-ups in my coached workouts. We do chin-ups more frequently.

    Would it be acceptable to do the pull-ups with a band assist? Otherwise, there's no way I could do this. My max pull ups is about 7.

    Even with the band to put my foot into to help with the pull-up, I doubt that I could do more than 5 sets. Would I just do 5 sets and build up to 10 over a few weeks?
  • few proud
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 10:12pm CST
    re: Q for runningart
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    Q for runningart wrote:

    What's a real pull-up? Arms straight, 45 degrees, 90 degrees?

    Look here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwu4RCMqY
  • Blah Blah Blah Blah
    4 years ago 12/30/2015 10:14pm CST
    re: Chill
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    Chill wrote:
    FWIW Usain Bolt does 4500 crunches a week, 1000 on easy days, 500 on hard, no rest days.

    You changed the topic. The recovery time for difference muscles is different. It is fine to work on abdominals everyday.
  • Ez10Miler
    4 years ago 12/31/2015 7:41am CST
    re: Blah Blah Blah Blah
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    I can't believe that people thing that work out is impossible. I'm a 47 yr old runner and I can do it (its my Monday morning workout). I'm sure all the sub14 running superstars on here can knock this out no problem.
  • Runningart2004
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    4 years ago 12/31/2015 8:53am CST
    re: fisky
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    Then do chin ups, or assisted, or inverted rows. The goal is to do a pulling movement.

    I like close grip (closer than shoulder width), hammer grip (palms in) pull-ups. I can do a lot more of those than chin ups....for most people this will be he strongest position for pulling.

    More fun bodyweight exercises:


    Burpee push-up pullup.....do as it says, pullup bar must be above you so you can jump about 6 inches to reach.

    Box jump, depth jump circuit. Boxes of various heights, 2-3 jumps total.

    Single leg deadlift, touch fingers to ground.

    Traveling push-up, push-up, move body left do a push-up, move body right, do a push-up

    Plyo push-up onto step or between steps. No more than 4 inches off the ground.

    Spider man push-up

    Rope climbs for days

    Contralateral knee or toe touch from the push-up position. In the push-up position, move your left leg/knee under and across your body to touch your right hand. Then alternate sides. Yeah it sucks.

    Alan
  • Typical runner or sockpuppet
    4 years ago 12/31/2015 9:08am CST
    re: few proud
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    few proud wrote:

    Q for runningart wrote:

    What's a real pull-up? Arms straight, 45 degrees, 90 degrees?

    Look here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwu4RCMqY


    That video is useless because it's from the waist up. The fact of the matter is that your legs have to swing out some to counterbalance your upper body. Your head and upper body start out directly beneath the bar but they end out off to the side of the bar, so your legs have to swing out to counter-balance.

    The problem is that you can then add just one or two inches of kip to make the pullup a bit easier, and it's effectively impossible to see.
  • Runningart2004
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    4 years ago 12/31/2015 10:01am CST
    re: Typical runner or sockpuppet
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    There are lots of correct ways to do a pullup.

    The problem with kipping like Crossfit is that it is inherently unsafe.

    Alan
  • Ahnold
    4 years ago 12/31/2015 12:27pm CST
    re: Runningart2004
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    Let's see the video of you doing that workout.