Assume they are at the same competitive level in their field
Assume they are at the same competitive level in their field
this or that wrote:
Assume they are at the same competitive level in their field
probably the rock climber but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that individual difference matters more. Rock climbers care a bit more about endurance and pretty much train to do this a lot (heck most use boards which make the hold much, much harder). Both have a pretty insane strength to weight ratio though.
Strict pulls - I'd guess the rock climber.
If they can kip, the gymnast would win for sure.
I would say a gymnast. Optimal rock climbing technique relies more on the legs than on the arms. This is why beginning and intermediate women rock climbers are often better than men. Men too often try to rely on the brute strength of their arms to climb and burn out faster. Women, who have less arm strength than men rely on their legs to propel them up the face. Optimal rock climbing technique does rely on the pull up ability of the arms.
The vault the balance beam and the floor exercise don't require pulling and grip strength. Granted the other apparatus do. I'll go with rock climbing
You've all got to be joking. This is a sample of what 7 year old gymnasts are expected to do:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VUDLIcdUKE
Gymnastics conditioning is insane. They are the strongest athletes pound for pound of any sport. The idea that they don't have arm or grip strength is ridiculous - have you seen the arms and shoulders of gymnasts? Do you have any idea how much strength the sport takes? Try doing 1 pullover on bars and understand the strength a basic move like Kip cast handstand takes...
Serious???? wrote:
You've all got to be joking. This is a sample of what 7 year old gymnasts are expected to do:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VUDLIcdUKEGymnastics conditioning is insane. They are the strongest athletes pound for pound of any sport. The idea that they don't have arm or grip strength is ridiculous - have you seen the arms and shoulders of gymnasts? Do you have any idea how much strength the sport takes? Try doing 1 pullover on bars and understand the strength a basic move like Kip cast handstand takes...
A rock climber has to avoid falling to their death. The incentives are a bit greater.
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Serious???? wrote:
You've all got to be joking. This is a sample of what 7 year old gymnasts are expected to do:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VUDLIcdUKEGymnastics conditioning is insane. They are the strongest athletes pound for pound of any sport. The idea that they don't have arm or grip strength is ridiculous - have you seen the arms and shoulders of gymnasts? Do you have any idea how much strength the sport takes? Try doing 1 pullover on bars and understand the strength a basic move like Kip cast handstand takes...
+1
they just make it look easy.
Serious???? wrote:
You've all got to be joking. This is a sample of what 7 year old gymnasts are expected to do:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VUDLIcdUKEGymnastics conditioning is insane. They are the strongest athletes pound for pound of any sport. The idea that they don't have arm or grip strength is ridiculous - have you seen the arms and shoulders of gymnasts? Do you have any idea how much strength the sport takes? Try doing 1 pullover on bars and understand the strength a basic move like Kip cast handstand takes...
That girls is crazy strong and talented but DAMMMM ... tell the mother to SHUT HER GAWDAM MOUTH! I had to mute the video. BTW, how does a female go from that little girl to those fat women that are the mothers? Eat a piece of fruit why dontcha.
Because I fell down a YouTube rabbit hold, the first part of this video on the playground equipment is pretty cool:
sadfasdf@asfdasf.com wrote:
Rock climbers care a bit more about endurance and pretty much train to do this a lot
This. Gymnasts are strong, but their longest event is, what, 70 seconds. A rock climber could be climbing for much longer. A gymnast definitely has the edge when it comes to explosive power, but a rock climber would have the endurance to repeatedly lift their body weight through more repetitions.
climbers have endurance wrote:
sadfasdf@asfdasf.com wrote:Rock climbers care a bit more about endurance and pretty much train to do this a lot
This. Gymnasts are strong, but their longest event is, what, 70 seconds. A rock climber could be climbing for much longer. A gymnast definitely has the edge when it comes to explosive power, but a rock climber would have the endurance to repeatedly lift their body weight through more repetitions.
It really depends on what the climber's specialty is. There are some really explosive climbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13F6_M0T_1IUltimately, I think that if you took the top 5 sport climbers in the world and compared them to the top 5 all-around gymnasts, I would give the climbers the edge in pull-ups and definitely grip strength but the gymnasts would have better core strength, agility and spacial ability.
Have you ever seen a male gymnast on the rings, parallel bars, pommel horse? These are the most amazing feats of upper body strength.
i coached a college pole vaulter who also was swimmer. He could rip of sets of 30-40 pull ups (palms away).
Definitely a gymnast, those guys are all midgets, so they have less distance to travel and less weight to pull. Although I will say that a rock climber has the whole life or death thing to deal with.
I am a semi-pro level climber (5.13/14). It should be pointed out that most climbers don't do many pullups as they aren't critical to success (finger strength and footwork being the primary limiting factors).
One summer in my mid-50s, I worked up to 30 controlled standard pullups in a set. That wasn't my limit, but it's a good reference point I think. I'm 6'0" and a guy who is 5'6" should be able to crush that. One area that I think climbers would excel at is a dead-arm hang from a bar, especially alternating arms.
In terms of muscular endurance, I suspect most gymnasts are like sprinters/800 guys whereas climbers (except bouldering specialists) are more like 1500-3000 guys.
Good post. I have set several pull up world records. Gymnasts would lack endurance and rock climbers although very strong rely more on grip and technique. Like anything else it is usually a specialist that excels. I also set the orangutan hang world record - longest one arm unaided hang from a bar 1 minute 55 sec. Very difficult and not all grip strength.
Snooze Alarm wrote:
I am a semi-pro level climber (5.13/14). It should be pointed out that most climbers don't do many pullups as they aren't critical to success (finger strength and footwork being the primary limiting factors).
One summer in my mid-50s, I worked up to 30 controlled standard pullups in a set. That wasn't my limit, but it's a good reference point I think. I'm 6'0" and a guy who is 5'6" should be able to crush that. One area that I think climbers would excel at is a dead-arm hang from a bar, especially alternating arms.
In terms of muscular endurance, I suspect most gymnasts are like sprinters/800 guys whereas climbers (except bouldering specialists) are more like 1500-3000 guys.
Im a hobby climber, 5.11/v5, and i agree with the above. Brute upper body strength and pull up ability isnt really a limiting factor until you're very high into grades. Isometric grip strength and technique are what makes the base of a good climber (also being able to read sequences quickly). Gymnists are trained for gross motor movements in general where as climbers tend to train for short movements that eventually cover the ground needed when linked together. A good example being the iron cross, at basically no point would a climber be forced to have that level of lat strength but it's crtical for gymnists. Climbers benefit more from barbell rows and other similar exercises that mimic pulling a hold in and holding body tension. Exceptions to this would be climbers like daniel woods who are known to be able to knock out reps of one arm pull ups which definitely helps them in competition style climbing. I give it to the gymnast at just about any level.
Snooze Alarm wrote:
One area that I think climbers would excel at is a dead-arm hang from a bar, especially alternating arms.
No human can really excel at that, the wrist bones aren't configured to maintain the grip. An ape can do it nearly indefinitely, but an ape can't dextrously grip tools like a human. Human grip is sideways.
Climbers are silly trying to be like their ape ancestors.
This female climber's training routine on campus rungs is pretty insane. Very much like pull ups, sometimes one armed, with semicrimped fingers.