Don't remember the time, but in the early 1980's Tom Byers was a rabbit in I think Oslo, got a huge lead and held on to win.
He was the Rabbit so it was not tactical for him, the pack let him go.
Don't remember the time, but in the early 1980's Tom Byers was a rabbit in I think Oslo, got a huge lead and held on to win.
He was the Rabbit so it was not tactical for him, the pack let him go.
Jason Lehmkuhle won the Ohme 30k in Japan in 2011.
1981 Stacked field but a 1500
video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_WpclPgTo
time was 3:39.01 almost 8 sec slower than world record.
Agree it was not tactical for Byers.
but other americans have won others since, and this was only 1500
Rupp's win did include the world #1 that year - Rupp.
Farrah didn't run a 10,000 in 2014 so he couldn't be the 2014 world #1
Why are you trying so hard to pose the question to not include Rupp's effort?
He exceeded Farah's lifetime PR in that race.
Gebremeskel won the 2012 Paris 5000 in 12:46, but Farah, the reigning WC Champion was not in the race.
Would that not count as winning a big international race that wasn't tactical.
Ryan Halls AR at Boston a few years back
Galen Rupp 2014 26:44 #1 in the WORLD. Remember that time period when no U.S. Guys broke 28? Why the hate for the U.S. Distance GOAT?
Rupp is the only correct answer to the question. 10/10 for a serious discussion and a subtle dig at rupp.
douglas burke wrote:Don't remember the time, but in the early 1980's Tom Byers was a rabbit in I think Oslo, got a huge lead and held on to win.
He was the Rabbit so it was not tactical for him, the pack let him go
i sincerely hope he didn't get winning prize money as that was not his contract & i hope prohibited in it
pacers are not supposed to win !
please tell me he didn't win the 1st $ prize !
Contract! Bahahaaaaa!
better question. When was the last time the top 4 ranked runners in the world were all in the race together and it went fast from the start?
rojo, I try to like you but sometimes you just make it so difficult. Please try to not be so anti Rupp biased. Farah had just ran a marathon 6 weeks before. How can Farah not being in the race be held against Rupp???
rojo wrote:
Not so fast! wrote:Bob Schul won the 5K four days later
The time was only 13:48.6
Of course the World record at the time was only 13:35.0 so I guess that's not that tactical. But again we are back in the 1960s.
Jfkshjsha wrote:
Rupps win in 26:44 at pre. The top 4 ran under 26:55! That's a legit field. Farah didn't need to be there. Rupp is 2 seconds FASTER the Farah at 10,000.
Next on the list is Manzano's Elmsley Carr Mile win.
Then Alan Webbs killer season.
I asked about distance races so miles don't count. The thing about Rupp's race is that it didn't include the World #1. I didn't have space to ask in the question, "When in the last time that a naturalized (at birth) male American citizen beat the top 4 distance runners in his event in a non-tactical distance race?"
Or maybe the question would have been better as, "When is the last time that an American at birth was able to outrun every single person in his event if the race was run all out from the gun?"
That's the question I want to know. With Farah's absence, Rupp doesn't count. I don't know about Neno in 1983. He won by 43 seconds. The World record at the time was just 27:13 so that's pretty close. But it's hard to say as I don't know who was great in that era.
Said Aouita wasn't a 10k guy but likely maybe could have beaten him. Paul Kipkoech won Worlds in 1987. Who else was missing from that 1986 race?
There's always Frank Shorter in Munich. He took the lead and won the gold.
The people claiming Rupp are completely idiots and have no clue when it comes to running
rojo wrote:
Or maybe the question would have been better as, "When is the last time that an American at birth was able to outrun every single person in his event if the race was run all out from the gun?"
1972 Olympic Marathon Results (No need to go back to 1964)
1 Frank Shorter USA 2-12:19.8 (Silver 1976)
2 Karel Lismont BEL 2-14:31.8 (Bronze 1976)
3 Mamo Wolde ETH 2-15:08.4 (Gold 1968)
4 Kenny Moore USA 2-15:39.8
5 Kenji Kimihara JPN 2-16:27.0 (Silver 1968)
6 Ron Hill GBR 2-16:30.6 (2-09:28 in 1970, some recognize as then-WR)
7 Don MacGregor GBR 2-16:34.4
8 Jack Foster NZL 2-16:56.2
9 Jack Bacheler USA 2-17:38.2
10 Lengissa Bedane ETH 2-18:36.8
11 Seppo Nikkari FIN 2-18:49.4
12 Akio Usami JPN 2-18:58.0
13 Derek Clayton AUS 2-19:49.6 (2:08:34 1969 Disputed WR, 2:09:36 Undisputed WR 1967)
Reread the question in your OP.
rojo wrote:
LRC wrote:In the 15 years that LetsRun.com has existed, we don't think we've ever seen a male American-born distance runner win an international long distance race that was loaded with talent and not tactical. Jager came within seconds of doing something that might not have been accomplished in 30 or 40 years.
With how you're responding, you should have just asked "Who's the last American NOT NAME GALEN RUPP....", because you're, for some reason, trying extremely hard to discredit his run.
Arbitrary words like "stacked field" and "not tactical race" just make it so you can mold the answer to fit what you want (which is anyone but Rupp).
pound sign pound sign wrote:
Farah had just ran a marathon 6 weeks before. How can Farah not being in the race be held against Rupp???
this.
farah was put through the grinder in london... no way he's bouncing back and running 26:44 at pre...
That AAU 6 miler way back where there were like 13 lead changes, the last one being on the final lap?
Lindgren vs Mills
Tough thing about this question is finding an American confident enough to put it on the line for a distance 3k or up against competition with (assumed) better finishing speed.
Obviously this answer isn't in the parameters, but Steve Scott took it to a lot of international guys during his time:
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/27/sports/scott-s-3-48.53-in-mile-is-3rd-fastest.html
Above is from when he ran 3:48.53 in Oslo to win in the 3rd fastest mile time in history at the time, right behind Coe & Ovett. Beat Maree, Morecroft, and John Walker in that one 11 days before running 3:47.69 over the same distance.
what about road races? I thought Ben True's victory at healthy kidney this summer was pretty good. He beat Kipsand and Mutai, admittedly at off-distances.
If we are looking at American men winning track races amidst top competition or very close to it, it's either Rupp at the 2014 pre 10k. It looks like Hall didn't have great competition at the 2007 Houston Half where he broke an hour, but that was a pretty good time.
If you are going to mention Shorter, you have to bump the date to '76 Montreal, where he ran a faster time than Munich and rightfully was the first clean finisher. Cierpinski's drug residue left an oily sheen which compromised the footing for all behind him.
hnb wrote:
That AAU 6 miler way back where there were like 13 lead changes, the last one being on the final lap?
Lindgren vs Mills
Certainly not qualifying as "a big international long distance event".
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year