Congrats. LetsRun.com messageboarders ('web vigilantes') get feature in Outside Magazine

I have to agree with rojo; there is plenty of smoke around Radcliffe. She is a doper, and that isn't off base at all.

Bobblehead Paula wrote:

I have to agree with rojo; there is plenty of smoke around Radcliffe. She is a doper, and that isn't off base at all.

There is also lots of smoke around the PEDs using Centro, Rupp, Rowbury, Mo and Hasay.

We work in the shadows and dark spaces of reality.

You also got mentioned in today's Significant Digits at FiveThirtyEight:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/significant-digits-for-friday-dec-18-2015/

She has Nike, Coe, and the IAAF, we have rjm33 and the truth. The Epic Battle For The Ages, or at least of the 15 years LRC has been around.

Bobblehead Paula wrote:

I have to agree with rojo; there is plenty of smoke around Radcliffe. She is a doper, and that isn't off base at all.

LetsRun.com wrote:

The article also includes a defense of the messageboard posters by rojo.

Rojo: “For the most part, if there’s smoke there’s fire. Some people complain about the nature of the message board, but I’m still waiting for an example of a high profile case where people have been speculating about something and it’s been way, way off base.”

I'm not sure this is totally true. I guess the "high-profile case" qualifier is the big one. I've seen any number of posts about people who were accused of cheating when they were not trying to cheat. Something such as running the 1/2 and getting counted as part of the full marathon crowd. Such slip-ups happen and are not always the result of trying to cheat. Sometimes there are inexperienced racers who cross the finish line after dropping out.

a personal anecdote; I ran a 1/2 marathon some years ago. the course was not marshaled very well and I missed a turn, along with probably 20 or so other people. We ran straight and took a later turn and rejoined the course. the distance difference, according to google maps (I did not Jones counter it) was pretty negligible, maybe .1 at most and I think we may have run more, not less, but I'm not 100% sure after this passage of time. Nonetheless, I sent an email to the race organizers explaining what had happened and asking them to take my name out of the results because I had not completed the course. It is still on-line with my name as an official time.

so, there you have it. no intent to cheat, not a large material difference (and therefore beyond the ability of Letsrun sleuths to figure that out) and an attempt to rectify the mistake. I would hate for my name to somehow end up on a message board accusing me of cheating under such circumstances.

Article talks about LRC sleuths who expose race cheaters

Le Monde claims to have transcripts of hearings.http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1032640/diack-confesses-to-asking-russia-for-15-million-to-help-fund-political-campaign-in-return-for-covering-up-drugs-tests-claim-report

The transcript reported by Le Monde said: "I told him that to win the elections, I needed about €1.5 million.

"He said to me, 'We'll try to find it, no problem'.

"At that time there was these problems of suspending Russian athletes a few months ahead of the [2013] World Championships in Russia.

"We came to an agreement.

"Russia paid.

"Balakhnichev organised all of that."

Also of note: "The IAAF Ethics Commission today concluded a three-day hearing into Balakhnichev, Diack's son Papa Massata Diack, former IAAF anti-doping director Gabriel Dolle; and the ARAF's former chief coach for long-distance athletes, Alexei Melnikov."

I thought the article was really well written and captured LetsRun.com well.

I was thinking it'd be funny if we could bust the author of this article for plagiarism. Who's with me?

Red Right Hand wrote:

She has Nike, Coe, and the IAAF, we have rjm33 and the truth. The Epic Battle For The Ages, or at least of the 15 years LRC has been around.

Bobblehead Paula wrote:

I have to agree with rojo; there is plenty of smoke around Radcliffe. She is a doper, and that isn't off base at all.

The good news is the IAAF'S version of events is so ridiculous the truth wins. Yes it takes time. That's not true for more sophisticated politicians.

What about this guy:

"Price entered a series of endurance races across the state and discovered that he enjoyed the solitude and challenge of pushing his mind and body over great distances.

“I managed to qualify as a pacing partner for the 1996 Summer Olympics,” Price said. “I worked hard to make the 10K team, but fell short of the final qualifier by 41 seconds; however, I was invited to work with the team. I paced a number of the runners, including Bob Kennedy.”

Kennedy ran a sub 13-minute 5K at the games and set a number of American records during his career."

You moved my post to the wrong thread. I'm guessing you wanted it to end up in the Diack thread...

Did anybody notice in the comments section of the article that somebody jumps out to vehemently defend Kip Litton? My first thought (as was that of the people who responded, apparently) was, "Hi Kip!"

However, the anonymous dude goes on to claim that Litton ran the last 6 Boston marathons in under 3 hours, with chip times & photos to boot. I'm too lazy at this hour to dig into this, but what say you Letsrun? Is this old debunked news?

Yes, thankfully Coe isn't all that bright. It won't be hard to bring him down. He's not like a Clinton or Bush who can stay corrupt and in power for decades.

Pop_pop!_v2.1.1 wrote:

Red Right Hand wrote:

She has Nike, Coe, and the IAAF, we have rjm33 and the truth. The Epic Battle For The Ages, or at least of the 15 years LRC has been around.

The good news is the IAAF'S version of events is so ridiculous the truth wins. Yes it takes time. That's not true for more sophisticated politicians.