Adams state vacated 2014 outdoors

Adams State had a jumper DQ'd for taking some PED, and he was later removed from the team. None of the runners were involved in it. That is why the Runner's Up title was vacated

Why was the TAMUK guy ruled ineligible? Same reason as Adams guy or different?

Well at least a degree from Adams State is highly regarded and can really get your career going. Not all of us can be grizzlies.

HonestThief wrote:

Adams State had a jumper DQ'd for taking some PED, and he was later removed from the team. None of the runners were involved in it. That is why the Runner's Up title was vacated

Was not a PED. Was an NCAA banned substance that definitely does not enhance performance.

What was it? How do you know?

PLACP wrote:

All the athletes from Adams that people have had issue with over the years were totally eligible within D2 rules.

I tend to agree with 95% of what you wrote in your post. The eligible foreign athletes (Rueben Mwei, for example) elevate the level of competition in D2 and are an addition to the sport. It's also great that Adams provides them an opportunity for an education they might not otherwise have. Glad to have them.

In my post I was just pointing out that Damon has rarely had a team without an older athlete or foreigner until this year. Older athletes and foreigners are less likely to be eligible from both an NCAA clearinghouse perspective and a prior competition and prize money perspective. Now after Damon loses a trophy, he doesn't run a single older runner or foreigner. Is that a coincidence?

But the statement I quoted above is flat out wrong. Cragg, Graham and Huffer were all INELIGIBLE according to D2 rules (for at least part of their time at ASU). They know this, Damon knows this, their teammates know this. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to take wake up and smell the San Luis Valley.

On the main topic, I heard anabolic steroids was the culprit, not recreational drugs. Maybe Adams should put out a statement so they don't look like they are trying to keep this under wraps.

So he tested positive for something that is not a PED? How do you know it isn't a PED? Cocaine or amphetamines could most definitely improve performance. Are you referring to marijuana? Many athletes use cannabis for recovery and stress relief (not directly a PED) and some have even competed their best high. On the other hand medical cannabis is now a legal prescription remedy in about half the states. Who is the NCAA to tell athletes they can't use their medicine?

If Lavong tested positive for thc I feel very bad for him and Adams. The NCAA has no right to deny athletes medicine.

aaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh....this sounds like the Republican non factual debates.....

FACT

1. Lavong and Snoop Dog both enjoy ? and enjoy... and enjoy...Lavong peed "green" twice at Nat's in 2014. The decision was made to not announce any details to protect the athlete. They should have released the reason.

FACT

2. Insiders say 2 more follow up tests after a reinstatement opportunity per NCAA rules (NCAA and Adams tests) resulted in "more Snoop Juice" in the radiator thus removal from the team

FACT

3. Contrary to the recruiting tactics used against Adams on this very issue there NEVER was the presence of any PED's, just Snoop-a-loop Juice (i.e.: marijuana). Ask coaches in Gunnison about telling recruits during their visits to WSUC about Adams and Steroids. ASU signed some of those recruits and this information came from them....

FACT

4. NCAA D1 and NCAA D2 have different rules regarding eligibility and calculating years of attendance (dumb asses). 5 yr clock begins in D1 when enrollment is initiated.

FACT

5. Adams State clears everyone through the NCAA Eligibility center. So does every other school. That was for the hating dumb asses

FACT

6. The ASU Athletic Dept does Drug Testing. You ASU RMAC haters on this board be warned. Testing is on its way at RMAC Championships. ASU is leading this effort....

7. Haters be Hatin the most successful program winning national team titles in NCAA history.....

Adam S. Tate wrote:

FACT

5. Adams State clears everyone through the NCAA Eligibility center. So does every other school. That was for the hating dumb asses

This is not a fact. RMAC institutions clear athlete eligibility through the RMAC office. In which the head of the board is, you guessed it, from Adams.

Huffer absolutely should not have been eligible. Remember that gold nugget (worth thousands of dollars) he won from a race that he returned? News flash: He never returned it or the money. Straight from the horses mouth.

"But the statement I quoted above is flat out wrong. Cragg, Graham and Huffer were all INELIGIBLE according to D2 rules (for at least part of their time at ASU)."

Coincidence, are you familiar with an NCAA D1 partial qualifier? Do many of those attend a D1 school and sit? Yes because they have to. What is their eligibility status during that time?

Part of their time at those NCAA D1 schools as partial qualifiers they then

a. Were eligible to compete or

b. Not eligible to compete

during that time.

Hint dumb ass - letter b. So those kids were at those D1 schools not eligible to compete but were ATTENDING those schools? OMG all hell is breaking loose.

So - what is your reasoning? Do ya get it Coincidence? You can become eligible while attending school! And not compete while you are attaining eligibility. What a brilliant concept that has been used by every school in the NCAA

Falsify are you serious? Please don't tell me you are joining the on board dumb ass brigade.

Clearing thru the RMAC for final eligibility determination?

Wow.

Then the NCAA Eligibility Center is used for?

Falsify don't go silent. Please share more of your "knowledge".....regarding NCAA eligibility rules and "heads of boards" from ASU within the RMAC that somehow can manipulate eligibility at the infant level of the RMAC?

Hey Falsify and Coincidence....

I apologize if I hurt your feelings referring to you both (one in the same is my guess) as a dumb ass

It's just I really thought you and others on this board knew that already....my bad

Some of us have work.....and lives.

Sorry you are getting your panties in a twist that your school transgressions are being brought to light.

In the RMAC, each member institution has a compliance officer. They coordinate directly with the RMAC commissioners on matters of eligibility compliance. The lady in charge of the compliance decisions when cragg, graham and huffer were at adams (2008-2012) was an Adams State alum. The RMAC then passes this info along to the NCAA, typically overlooked.

Adam's rap sheet is extensive and there is something new every season. Here's one more:

Indoor 2007 Adams didn't have a qualifying time for the Men's DMR so they wanted to do it on the Mines track. They set up two teams. One to pace, one to qualify. After the pace team got dropped, they were instructed to wait a lap and resume pacing. They were dq'd. The Adam's coach got pissed and began yelling and swearing at the Mines coach (not sure who it was at the time). Other RMAC coaches had to step in for support.

Honestly, this isn't to disparage the guys on the team that have done it right, or even they guys who had questionable eligibility. Most of them are great guys. It's the culture and the coach that leave such a sour taste in the mouth.

While we are waiting for Adam S. Tate to return from work or his life, lets talk about craggs eligibility. (I suspect based on being an adams alum his shift at applebees won't be over until later this evening. See here:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3386345

)

In 2009 D2 rules changed so that running for a club overseas counted as a used year of eligibility. Because of this rule change cragg went from being able to use a 5th year of eligibility as a redshirt to being done. The Adams coach couldnt have that, so they applied for a medical red shirt for the year that he redshirted and was back overseas.

Truth be told, he did get injured. But not season ending. How can I say that you ask? Well it turns out he posted all of his training on a website called 8 lane. While he was back home, he was routinely running 100+ mpw. Seems odd for someone with a season ending injury. Well some of the western runners didn't like this little fib. So they downloaded these logs and sent them over to the RMAC commissioner in charge of compliance. Surely we all remember her, right? the Adams grad? Cragg was promptly instructed to remove those logs from online by the adams state staff. But it was too late. The damage was done. He would lose his medical redshirt.

Except he didn't. He got another whole year. His argument? "I was using estimates for the biking and swimming I was doing for an equivalent measurement" Despite the fact that the logs never once referenced biking or swimming. Needless to say the "impartial" commissioner bought it.

Again this is nothing against Cragg. He's a good guy. It's what happened under the adams coach watch.

Apologies for my late reply but I just finished closing out buying and filling my short positions from today's prime short selling market. My bad.

( FYI - Applebees trades under the ticker symbol DIN - it's a 2 year dog...wouldn't touch it. ) but that was funny!

Damn that is a lot of reconnaissance work. But nothing to it.

Your RMAC and NCAA rules discussion ? regarding initial and continuing eligibility is clouded....you give way too much power to a conference office. There are NCAA rules. Period.

Good guy though huh.

Damn made a lot today. Margaritas

Bump

Trying to get a DMR qualifier at Mines=Brilliant. Do they still get a double adjustment of undersized track and being at altitude?Damon has never been a favorite of the RMAC coaches, but now that Vandenbusche has retired, there is nobody to keep him in check at the coaches meetings.

Adam S. Tate wrote:

Falsify are you serious? Please don't tell me you are joining the on board dumb ass brigade.

Clearing thru the RMAC for final eligibility determination?

Wow.

Then the NCAA Eligibility Center is used for?

If the Clearinghouse/Amateurism process was as easy as just being certified by the center, then other schools in the RMAC wouldn't have had to report K. Batt to the NCAA, questioning how he could have been eligible last track season. After all he'd run in several races in uniform. it took another institution to report this to the NCAA for them to actually make the correct decision and revoke his eligibility.

This in itself wouldn't be that big of a deal, but given all of the other shady stories from previous athletes, it does look bad.