Lance Armstrong Wins 35K Trail Run

Oh no, please don't tell me he prevented a clean athlete from winning a medal, glass stein and schwag bag at this prestigious race. I am sure the other 48 elite athletes in this race are just beside themselves for having to race against this doper. Next thing you know he is going to keep you from getting a turkey at the next Turkey Trot you run in, or the hand carved wooden platter at your next fun run. Where will it all end? You know he just ran in this because they weren't drug testing. I hope that Travis Tygart gets his team together to bust him for this injustice.

Shame of Hall wrote:

let's be logical wrote:

If Hall had Armstrong's "drive" he would dope to fix his T level problems and be the best again. Your point is?

Didn't Hall supplement his thyroid like everyone else does? Why is one T okay and the other not?

Because one is a banned substance and the other isn't?

link to Lance's Strava from the race:

https://www.strava.com/activities/449697488

Prefoninsane wrote:

Why are people making such a big deal about letting him race this? Yeah he doped in cycling, but he already paid for that...

No he has not, good sir. Sport superstars like him do not just serve their time by paying fines or doing jail time. He has affected thousands of kids (and even young adults, myself speaking) by telling them a story about success, a story that covered one of the most grotesque cheating methods ever, before they were made public. A new generation of future athletes will come, and some will remember the wrongdoings of Armstrong, yes. But others will also remember it as an opportunity to keep tainting our sport.

The Uniballer is certainly doping with T still.

waxonist wrote:

Prefoninsane wrote:

Why are people making such a big deal about letting him race this? Yeah he doped in cycling, but he already paid for that...

No he has not, good sir. Sport superstars like him do not just serve their time by paying fines or doing jail time. He has affected thousands of kids (and even young adults, myself speaking) by telling them a story about success, a story that covered one of the most grotesque cheating methods ever, before they were made public. A new generation of future athletes will come, and some will remember the wrongdoings of Armstrong, yes. But others will also remember it as an opportunity to keep tainting our sport.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, self-righteous, blah, blah, blah, sanctimony, blah, blah, blah.

They were all doping. Yes, he did it the most, but in a world where PEDs don't exist, he wins a bunch of races and makes a bunch of money.

Welcome back LA.

Lance foo young wrote:

waxonist wrote:

No he has not, good sir. Sport superstars like him do not just serve their time by paying fines or doing jail time. He has affected thousands of kids (and even young adults, myself speaking) by telling them a story about success, a story that covered one of the most grotesque cheating methods ever, before they were made public. A new generation of future athletes will come, and some will remember the wrongdoings of Armstrong, yes. But others will also remember it as an opportunity to keep tainting our sport.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, self-righteous, blah, blah, blah, sanctimony, blah, blah, blah.

They were all doping. Yes, he did it the most, but in a world where PEDs don't exist, he wins a bunch of races and makes a bunch of money.

They were all doping BECAUSE of him. He helped create the PED culture.

Prefoninsane wrote:

Why are people making such a big deal about letting him race this? Yeah he doped in cycling, but he already paid for that...

Who Cares!! Don't get me wrong, He's a piece of CRAP in the world of professional endurance athletes (I'm a retired one) and in the eyes of many 'Weekend Warrior' endurance athletes. BUT, he paid his fee and is running a non-sanctioned bbq trail race. No prize money, No Shirt, and No participation medal. Lance's true punishment is that he still parades/exposes himself to the running community (because he is a TRUE NARCISSIST) and truly believes no one looks at him in a negative way. He truly DOES NOT CARE!!! If you don't know, Lance is a REAL LIFE A**HOLE!!!. This is a well known fact. But, no matter how much of a self serving piece of sh** you are, you still wake up every morning and have to look in the mirror and can't help but see what you really are.

Let Lance run his 35K trail races or Xterra races, as these are the only outlets he has so as not have to look within himself and see who he really is. Sad but True.

From Romans 12:

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;

if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

For all you skeptics, one of the great things about God is that in the end perfect justice will be delt to everyone. Make sure you side with Jesus.

@drugaddict To answer your question, Timothy Olson, pro trail/ultrarunner, got into it as a way to turn his life around from alcohol/drug addiction

I understand the point of lack of sanctioning/what's the big deal in winning some little local trail race w/o prize money etc, but for "recreational runners", winning these types of races does indeed have meaning. Sure, they don't have the infrastructure (or maybe can't afford?) to have drug testing so you're operating under the assumption that anybody could be doping. But if Lance wants to be involved in the sport or whatever, why even do "low key races that don't really matter"? Why not just go for runs or, if he wants company, run w/ a running group or something. Stay out of competitions, whether they're big-deal ones or not!

The people who still give Lance a hard time are miserable jokes themselves. Lance has faced ample scrutiny from the public and the media, so the people still harassing him are essentially beating a dead horse. How would they like to be kicked when they're down? It's not like Lance is hurting anybody by racing a 35k for fun. Leave the man alone, sheesh. People need to stop obsessing about putting others down and deal with their own problems.

Ban him from competing for prizes, but let the guy enter fun runes. We don't want him going postal or anything.

That's not true, doping has been around for decades and decades. The culture in cycling and other endurance and strength sports have been heavily influenced by PED's well before Lance. Lance came into the cycling scene with his team in Europe where EPO use was in full force and the majority if not all the top field was using EPO, test, blood transfusions etc. to the amount to provide max performance increase. The team could have stayed clean and packed up and went home as they would have no chance being contenders clean. So, they decided to jump in with the fray, compete to win and the rest is history. I'm sure it was a difficult decision for them to have to make. I'm not saying doping is right, but lets not put Lance on some doping super-pedestal, yes he doped, no more or less than other top athletes, he was the best of his era, he got the most publicity, he lied and treated people badly and dug a huge hole to deal with for the rest of his life. But in the end, he's one elite athlete who took PED's like thousands and thousands before and after him and like probably some of our hero's are taking today unbeknownst to us currently unless they get caught...

Serious question: how many of you Lance apologists are wearing a USPS or Discovery Channel jersey at this very moment?

Andy Dufresne wrote:

Ban him from competing for prizes, but let the guy enter fun runes. We don't want him going postal or anything.

I see what you did there...

I know Gray pretty well and I have never known him to speak on doping issues to gain attention. He truly has an issue with it. The article doesn't mention why in the first place he talks of the issue. Joe is saying what about the guys that got cheated, did they get a second chance at a career? No because Lance stole their youth/prime of their careers. Glad to see Joe and Sage speaking out, funny not too many other elites have said ANYTHING. Very telling and raises eyebrows for this fella towards some elites that I now wonder about

readrun wrote:

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Lance did his time, and as far as I'm concerned, he now has just as much of a right as anyone else to compete.

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Lance did way more than just cheat with drugs. He destroyed the lives and careers of people who accused him of cheating while demonstrating a pathological talent for lying to his fans. There is no evidence that he has reformed or repented. He's a nasty human being who should be kept from participating in ANY organized sport ever again.

Of course I was guilty of defending him, so now I have to remind people that he can never be trusted to play by the rules again.

Genetics are unfair. All pro endurance sports should dope. Find out who has more heart over more natural ability.