Race wants prize money back

By your bank acct, I meant the "non-profit"'s bank acct. Not your personal bank acct.

In 2014 You added 67k to your ("non-profit's") bank acct, but only gave back 31k

Those are the facts listed on your 2014 990

Also the expenses look padded, $3500 for telephones? And Are you and the treasurer really averaging those 60 hour weeks that you claim year round? Just wondering

Keep the money OP.

The RD doesn't have a leg to stand on.

It's not false advertising. The prize money should have said Male $900 Female $900 etc all the way down the line. But I thought it was obvious when it read Total prize money for male and female.

Do the Math. Add up all the elite prize money and double it. Then add up the $1,500 for masters and $4,000 for Costumes and Team divisions. You'll come out to a much larger number than $15,000.

Why would we advertise giving out $15,000 in prize money and then give out significantly more than that.

I respect the elite athletes who work hard and win prize money. What I don't respect is self entitlement.

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

It was my fault for writing out $24,500 in prize money instead of $15,000 in prize money.

Ok, there you go. That's all you needed to say. It was your fault. Write a check to cover your mistake, and be done with it. When you screw up, you pay the freight for your mistake. Money doesn't need to come away from the non-profit's programs. You can take out your checkbook and rectify your mistake.

The idea that people are supposed to read through the entire prize structure in order to pick up on your mistake is just asinine. If I'm competing in the men's open division, why would I read the prize money for any other group?

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

First of all I am the race director and don't care what the elite communitythinks of me after my mistake.

(Blah snipped)

It was my fault for writing out $24,500 in prize money instead of $15,000 in prize money

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I'm not an elite runner by any means but you ddin't just make a mistake with cheque amounts once, your website headline prize information is to put it very charitably easy to misunderstand, the large mocked-up cheques for the winners photos also has these amounts on and previous years prize winners say they were paid the same.

All of this would be forgivable to some extent but for your objectionable and belligerent legal threats.

Out of interest - what false information has the original poster supplied?

If you thought it was obvious how did you mess it up so colossally???

It wasn't obvious to anyone. What's obvious now is how whack you are

Do the right thing

We've already paid all of the elite athletes. And we paid them what is listed on the website. Unfortunately I gave out about $10,000 too much.

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:Let me break this down for all of you and frankly I don't care what my reputation will be on this blog as the elites make up about 30 people out of the 3,867 that registered so I don't care if the elites hate us after this. It's about doing what is right and standing up for what is right regardless of what a bunch of greedy selfish people say....The elites however received $24,500 and this I we intend to recover as it's being taken away from special needs kids, marine mammal projects, disability programs, etc. Again read the link above to SEE WHERE OUR MONEY GOES.

Why offer any prize money then? Why take any money away from the special needs kids and the injured sea lions?

And why take your $9000 dollars away from the special needs kids? $9000 is truly not much for your over 3000 hours of work that you put in on the charity each year, but if you're so independently wealthy that you can spend 60 hours per week on the charity instead of working, that $9000 must not mean much to you. You're taking it away from special olympians and wounded warriors.

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

Let me break this down for all of you and frankly I don't care what my reputation will be on this blog as the elites make up about 30 people out of the 3,867 that registered so I don't care if the elites hate us after this.

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Honestly who cares if we have elite athletes at our event. They make up about 25 of the almost 4,000 runners, that's less than a tenth of a percent.

If this is a troll, good touch on the glaring math inconsistencies which we've picked up on from past posts. If it isn't, as a polite suggestion you should be more careful in the future about that. First you wrote "about 30 people out of the 3,867 runners" being elite, and then later you wrote "About 25 out of the almost 4,000". 25/4000 is 0.625%, far greater than 0.1%. If we look at the original figures, 30/3867, we get 0.776%. Taking more care with the numbers may prevent mistakes like this from recurring in the future.

That because in 2013 our race cost $54,000 to put on. Timing company, shirts, medals, prize money etc. We gave out all of our race proceeds with the exception of $4,000 that went to scholarships the next year. Not a lot of organization give out those percentages.

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

It's not false advertising. The prize money should have said Male $900 Female $900 etc all the way down the line. But I thought it was obvious when it read Total prize money for male and female.

If it's so obvious, why did you write checks for the wrong amount?

Bob, let's be clear you definitely don't respect elite runners. In fact you take advantage of them. how is it wrong for them to ask for a place to stay or travel expenses to your race? Any other profession this would be covered

Calling BS on this. This is not what your 990 says at all!s

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

That because in 2013 our race cost $54,000 to put on. Timing company, shirts, medals, prize money etc. We gave out all of our race proceeds with the exception of $4,000 that went to scholarships the next year. Not a lot of organization give out those percentages.

I said almost 4000, not 4000. Big difference. Who cares whether is 25 or 30 elites or 31 or 26 or 28. You missing the big point. The point is the elites make up a very small fraction of the race.

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

We've already paid all of the elite athletes. And we paid them what is listed on the website. Unfortunately I gave out about $10,000 too much.

Understood. I'm saying that instead of expecting athletes to return their money, you should write a check to cover your overpayment. YOU paid ~$10K too much, YOU can write a check to your org so that they don't lose any money and you don't have to renege on prize money.

first of all, there were no elites in your race. second of all, ... I got nothing else.

Do the math Bob wrote:[/

Why offer any prize money then? Why take any money away from the special needs kids and the injured sea lions?

And why take your $9000 dollars away from the special needs kids? $9000 is truly not much for your over 3000 hours of work that you put in on the charity each year, but if you're so independently wealthy that you can spend 60 hours per week on the charity instead of working, that $9000 must not mean much to you. You're taking it away from special olympians and wounded warriors.[/quote]

good post. Think of the wounded warriors next time you cash your check from the non-profit Bob. Do the right thing.

Do the math Bob wrote:

Rdsurfingmadonna wrote:

It's not false advertising. The prize money should have said Male $900 Female $900 etc all the way down the line. But I thought it was obvious when it read Total prize money for male and female.

If it's so obvious, why did you write checks for the wrong amount?

Can we just keep repeating this question until the RD answers it?

Please explain to us simpletons how you yourself handed out the wrong amounts (Twice, on the giant checks AND on the real checks) when you had previously determined what they were going to be? Had you forgotten, and referenced your own "very obvious" website, and then misunderstood it?

There is so much precedent on the RD's side, it would take a miracle for him to lose in court.