catladyrunner wrote:
you mean 22?
YES MICHAEL CHINCHAR THE MAN OF DREAMS.
catladyrunner wrote:
you mean 22?
YES MICHAEL CHINCHAR THE MAN OF DREAMS.
So LV was 30/56 at the U23 World Triathlon Champs in September. Obviously, that's still well below where he would have been without the crash (likely winner, I believe), but that's a lot better than I'd been led to believe he was doing. Any tri folks care to weigh in on his realistic potential/standing at this point?
Always a big fan of LV. He's actually one of the people that "influenced" me to try running. Anyway, I feel bad because it has to be quite a come down to be running at the level he is.
Take 4 minutes and remember..
This kid could have been the king ches killer (and he beat him consistently in highschool), but instead he leaves xc and track, gets in a tragic accident, and people are now getting excited to see him running a 32 something xc race? Not sure I see the logic since there's ZERO chance he ever fulfills his highschool potential. I feel for the kid and wouldn't wish the injury he went through on my worst enemy, but I think it's time for the running community to move on.
Sloop John B wrote:
This kid could have been the king ches killer (and he beat him consistently in highschool), but instead he leaves xc and track, gets in a tragic accident, and people are now getting excited to see him running a 32 something xc race? Not sure I see the logic since there's ZERO chance he ever fulfills his highschool potential. I feel for the kid and wouldn't wish the injury he went through on my worst enemy, but I think it's time for the running community to move on.
You're so right. We should ignore the accomplishments of others unless they are able to win a major championship. [Sarcasm]
Great to see Lukas and Webb on the results page again. [Not sarcasm]
Not only was he spotted in the results, he was spotted at the race too! I was further back in the pack, but still got a thrill out of running against a High School 8:29/sub 4 guy. I had almost forgotten about the talent level, 2xFLCC, Sub 4, and 8:29, maybe the most impressive High Schooler of all time?
He finished 11th.
Here's a video of the Open Men's Race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJYZSRdeVac&feature=youtu.be
He finished 11th.
Here's a video of the Open Men's Race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJYZSRdeVac&feature=youtu.be
they don't. that guy is the Little Wing coach.
fail @ quoting previous post, oops.
the guy from that PDX meet whose results said "Oiselle" - they don't sponsor dudes. he is a coach who works for them.
Verzbicas looked like he was cruising into the finish (especially compared to most of those who finished ahead of him).
Sloop John B wrote:
This kid could have been the king ches killer (and he beat him consistently in highschool), but instead he leaves xc and track, gets in a tragic accident, and people are now getting excited to see him running a 32 something xc race? Not sure I see the logic since there's ZERO chance he ever fulfills his highschool potential. I feel for the kid and wouldn't wish the injury he went through on my worst enemy, but I think it's time for the running community to move on.
IMO, it is far more impressive to go from being paralyzed to competing at an international level (whether it be in tri or running) then to follow a path of success based on his high school accolades. Don't forget that he is as aware of what his running potential might have been as the rest of us are, but has had to face that and overcome it each day. God knows what this guy has been through the past three years. I hope he can make the Olympic team but I definitely respect all of the quiet, trying work that he has had to do to even reach the level that he is at now.
skrappy wrote:
Verzbicas looked like he was cruising into the finish (especially compared to most of those who finished ahead of him).
So you're saying that he looked relaxed?
Sloop John B wrote:
This kid could have been the king ches killer (and he beat him consistently in highschool), but instead he leaves xc and track, gets in a tragic accident, and people are now getting excited to see him running a 32 something xc race? Not sure I see the logic since there's ZERO chance he ever fulfills his highschool potential. I feel for the kid and wouldn't wish the injury he went through on my worst enemy, but I think it's time for the running community to move on.
Maybe but maybe not. His psychological component meaning heart and lungs were not long term damaged. Mechanically he is coming back to form as seen in several videos. Emotionally he is gaining confidence.
With his type of inherent talent, young age and a focus on running training he is just one race away from a breakthrough that could give him the confidence to compete at a national level again.
Don't write him off just yet.
Look over your shoulder wrote:
Sloop John B wrote:This kid could have been the king ches killer (and he beat him consistently in highschool), but instead he leaves xc and track, gets in a tragic accident, and people are now getting excited to see him running a 32 something xc race? Not sure I see the logic since there's ZERO chance he ever fulfills his highschool potential. I feel for the kid and wouldn't wish the injury he went through on my worst enemy, but I think it's time for the running community to move on.
Maybe but maybe not. His psychological component meaning heart and lungs were not long term damaged. Mechanically he is coming back to form as seen in several videos. Emotionally he is gaining confidence.
With his type of inherent talent, young age and a focus on running training he is just one race away from a breakthrough that could give him the confidence to compete at a national level again.
Don't write him off just yet.
Very good and logical post.
He is still relatively young and perhaps it is taking time for the damage to his legs and lower back to repair. Mechanically, he look very similar to his old self and if he ever completely heals, there is still great things in his future. And, from a triathlon standpoint, this run was about as good all but the top 3-4 triathletes could have done.
joe M wrote:
Also, look who ran in PDX on Saturday, 9th place...
http://www.hubertiming.com/results/2015Stumptown5Mens
All things considered, this is a pretty good result for Luke and Webb. They both appear to be in 30 minute track 10K shape, which is world class for a triathlete.
a 17 year old ran 33:39, not bad i would say.
TrackCoach wrote:
Look over your shoulder wrote:Maybe but maybe not. His psychological component meaning heart and lungs were not long term damaged. Mechanically he is coming back to form as seen in several videos. Emotionally he is gaining confidence.
With his type of inherent talent, young age and a focus on running training he is just one race away from a breakthrough that could give him the confidence to compete at a national level again.
Don't write him off just yet.
Very good and logical post.
He is still relatively young and perhaps it is taking time for the damage to his legs and lower back to repair. Mechanically, he look very similar to his old self and if he ever completely heals, there is still great things in his future. And, from a triathlon standpoint, this run was about as good all but the top 3-4 triathletes could have done.
I'm not so sure of this, and I was a big fan of Verzbicas back when he was in HS. The major factor in all of this is that the injury he experienced was a spinal cord/nerve injury rather than a standard muscle injury.
Most of you are probably familiar with this to some extent, but the fast-twitch/slow-twitch muscle groups that allow us to walk/run consist of groups of muscle cells coupled with nerves. The fact that Verzbicas was rendered temporarily immobile (and for a substantial amount of time, had compromised lower body function) means that a large number of the nerve connections in his lower body were damaged.
Unlike most other cell types, nerve cells do not regenerate well. PNS nerves tend to fare better than CNS nerves, but issues associated with glial scarring and myelin typically prevent any sort of nerve-system from regenerating such that it can mimic its exact structure/function pre-injury.
In Verzbicas' case, he was VERY lucky that his nerves managed to re-establish to the extent that they did, as many people who experience an injury that results in temporary paralysis suffer permanent localized loss of motility afterwards. However, unluckily for him, many of his previous nerve connections are probably gone, which may render many of the muscle groups in the region useless.
In short, he's probably running with a significantly reduced portion of his relevant leg muscles.
Seyta wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:Very good and logical post.
He is still relatively young and perhaps it is taking time for the damage to his legs and lower back to repair. Mechanically, he look very similar to his old self and if he ever completely heals, there is still great things in his future. And, from a triathlon standpoint, this run was about as good all but the top 3-4 triathletes could have done.
I'm not so sure of this, and I was a big fan of Verzbicas back when he was in HS. The major factor in all of this is that the injury he experienced was a spinal cord/nerve injury rather than a standard muscle injury.
Most of you are probably familiar with this to some extent, but the fast-twitch/slow-twitch muscle groups that allow us to walk/run consist of groups of muscle cells coupled with nerves. The fact that Verzbicas was rendered temporarily immobile (and for a substantial amount of time, had compromised lower body function) means that a large number of the nerve connections in his lower body were damaged.
Unlike most other cell types, nerve cells do not regenerate well. PNS nerves tend to fare better than CNS nerves, but issues associated with glial scarring and myelin typically prevent any sort of nerve-system from regenerating such that it can mimic its exact structure/function pre-injury.
In Verzbicas' case, he was VERY lucky that his nerves managed to re-establish to the extent that they did, as many people who experience an injury that results in temporary paralysis suffer permanent localized loss of motility afterwards. However, unluckily for him, many of his previous nerve connections are probably gone, which may render many of the muscle groups in the region useless.
In short, he's probably running with a significantly reduced portion of his relevant leg muscles.
Wait a minute here..... Does this mean that those trolls in that thread about PEDs were correct, and the nervous system is actually the most important for running?
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Red Bull (who sponsors Mondo) calls Mondo the pole vaulting Usain Bolt. Is that a fair comparison?