Top Japanese collegiate team puts 8 under 29:00 in 1 race

It seems that way to you because you are not good at reasoning.

That's nice. This has nothing to do with what I posted.

Further, merely pointing out that a country has not had a lot of success on the international stage in a particular event is not racist.

I never wrote that.

You attempted to claim Japan has had more success in the marathon by listing Olympic medal count. You conveniently left out the vast majority of the Olympic medals American athletes have won in the marathon. I then pointed that out to you.

When it became apparent that your tactic backfired, you then shifted the goal posts, as seen here -

You shifted the goal posts because the metric you initially used, i.e., Olympic medals, actually showed the opposite of what you were attempting to prove, that Japan has had more success at the Olympic Games in the marathon. That is not the case.

That's nice. This has nothing to do with what I posted.

formerD1 wrote:

Before that, no distance medals in any event since what 1984?

Mark Plaatjes (USA) won the marathon Gold Medal at the 1993 World Championships.

When was the last Japanese distance runner to medal in a track event? Has one EVER medaled in a track event?

Non responsive. I dont need a 5 paragraph essay this isnt College Essay Writing 101 so just answer the fing question. How many Gold medals?

Theres a few. Cant look it up now but anyways my point is simple - Japan is good at things OTHER than swimming. 2 Olympic marathon GOLD out of last 4.

Another America #1 thread. Is there one actually about this race?

It's sad how much in denial some posters here are about the state of US distance running. Considering the amount of money spent and people who try to become elite runners the USA is one of if not the most underperforming athletics country in the world. Imported Africans and doped up NOP athletes does not a distance program make.

non-American wrote:

Another America #1 thread. Is there one actually about this race?

OP here: I tried.

With regards to this discussion about USA vs. Japan, I think medals are a stupid metric for national comparisons, especially for non-East African countries.

I get that for many people they are the sole measure of success, but as fans of the sport, aren't we interested in more than the three best runners in a given event?

For Japan, it's dumb to ask, "Where are the sub 2:05/27:00 guys?" They don't exist.

It is reasonable, however, to ask why they don't currently have anyone sub 2:07:30/27:30.

My sense from reading JRN pretty regularly is that they're coming. The Japanese HS and University ranks have been getting faster and deeper lately, much like ours have. As was mentioned upthread, they've had a handful of college guys break 28:00 in the last few years. The old 5k NR was broken by two guys this year, HSers are breaking 14, etc.

Watching these guys gear up for Tokyo should be interesting.

Bundang Social Club wrote:

It is reasonable, however, to ask why they don't currently have anyone sub 2:07:30/27:30.

NOPer Suguru Osako: 27:38 in 2013 at age 22. Has a 5k PR of 13:08. Also, a 1:01:47 half-marathon run at age 19.

Salazar has him focused on shorter distances since he joined NOP. Unfortunate how Salazar keeps most of the runners away from long distances. Suguru could have run the 10k, half-marathon and marathon at some pretty excellent times, save for Salazar keeping him doing so.

Others to watch-

Kenta Murayama (22)- Ran 60:50 at 20 years old and 27:39 at 22.

(has a 28:12 twin)

Tetsuya Yoroizaka (25)- 13:12 (AT#2 behind Osako)/ 27:38

reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:

Ventolin hunter wrote:

Yes it is.

No it isn't.

See above.

Ventolin hunter wrote:

The world marathon majors website defines it as such.

They could define some Joe's Podunk Marathon as a major and it wouldn't make it so.

Hmmn, major...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Bundang Social Club wrote:

non-American wrote:

Another America #1 thread. Is there one actually about this race?

OP here: I tried.

Thanks.

formerD1 wrote:

Non responsive.

You're non responsive because you don't have a response and rather than admit you were mistaken, you are doing what's akin to closing your ears and shouting "no, no, no" like a child.

formerD1 wrote:

I dont need a 5 paragraph essay this isnt College Essay Writing 101

12 sentences is hardly an essay.

formerD1 wrote:

so just answer the fing question. How many Gold medals?

I find it strange that you claim to not have the time to read a post that amounts to 12 sentences, but have no problem asking questions that you already know the answer to.

The reason for this of course is that you're trying to divert the conversation away from where you originally took it (Olympic medal count) upon realizing that the data didn't support your narrative (that Japanese athletes have had more success in the marathon than American athletes).

reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:

The reason for this of course is that you're trying to divert the conversation away from where you originally took it (Olympic medal count) upon realizing that the data didn't support your narrative (that Japanese athletes have had more success in the marathon than American athletes).

Some different data:

Runners sub 2:10

Japan: 72

USA: 16

Both of those numbers surprised me, actually. Thought America would have more and Japan less.

The U.S. AT#4 performer (Meb) wouldn't make the Japanese top 25.

The preferred events for the U.S. are the 800/1500. For Japan it's the marathon. The U.S. does much better in their events than Japan in theirs, and that's for men. RIght now, there are no Japanese women to challenge U.S. women in any distance. What happened to their woman marathoners?

My initial narrative has been that Japan has significant success (if not top 3 in the World) in World Championship and Olympic marathon. My post is copied and pasted below.

Somebody else came back and said that WC is not a "major" marathon. That's a subjective opinion, one which I have zero interest in debating. I am simply talking about the two biggest Athletic championships in the world, which are obviously the OG and the WC. If you want to debate whether or not Chicago or NYC or Boston or Berlin or London is a "bigger" event than WC, please make another thread for that.

Fact is, Japan has amazing medaling history at the OG and WC marathons. Full. Fing. Stop.

Women:

2000 Olympic Marathon Gold

2001 WC Marathon Silver

2003 WC Marathon Silver + Bronze

2004 Olympic Marathon Gold

2007 WC Marathon Bronze

2009 WC Marathon Silver

2013 WC Marathon Bronze

Men:

2005 WC Marathon Bronze

Compare to Team USA: Last medal in any major championship, Silver, Meb Keflezighi, Athens 2004

I believe Japan's only athletics medal in the last Olympics was a hammer thrower--in Beijing it was a race walker. Only 1 of those vaunted marathoners ranks higher on the IAAF all-time list than Ito and Kiryu in the 100m. They came closer to getting a medal in the 4X100 in Beijing than in any distance run. There are more Japanese male hammer throwers on the IAAF all-time list than marathoners. They are now a speed/power nation, no longer a distance nation in international competition.

Japan is now one of the worst performing countries at IAAF championships. This will continue until/unless they get rid of that Lydiard crap.

See above. The Japanese women appear to be on par right now with the UK and worse than the USA in the 5k/10k. Obviously they are still doing well in the marathon, but they are just falling short of the podium places.

sorta agree. maybe not Nationals but PreNats for sure by special invite

formerD1 wrote:

ONE measly silver and ONE bronze in all distance events since 1984. With the vast resources and huge number of runners present in the US starting from high school, US distance running is just sad.

Distance is often considered 1500m and up....

And even since you only include the marathon in your definition of "distance": I'm counting 5 medals, including a gold.

But here are all the international competitions medals USA has won at meets with the term "World Championship" or "Olympics": 1984 - Present

MEN:

2014 Indoor WC 3000 Silver - Lagat

2014 WC Relays 4x1500 Silver - Men

2013 WC 1500 Silver - Centro

BONUS: 2013 WC 800 Silver - Nick

2012 Indoor WC 3000 GOLD - Lagat

2012 Olympic 1500 Silver - Leo

2012 Olympic 10000 Silver - Rupp

BONUS: 2012 Indoor WC 800 Bronze - Moore

2011 WC 5000 Silver - Lagat

2011 WC 1500 Bronze - Centro

2010 Indoor WC 3000 GOLD - Lagat

2009 WC 5000 Silver - Lagat

2009 WC HM Bronze - Ritz

2009 WC 1500 Bronze - Lagat

2007 WC 1500 GOLD - Lagat

2007 WC 5000 GOLD - Lagat

2004 Olympic Marathon Silver - Meb

BONUS: 2003 Indoor WC 800 GOLD - Krummenacker

BONUS: 1997 WC 800 Bronze - Rich

BONUS: 1997 Indoor WC Bronze - Rich

1995 Indoor WC 1500 Bronze - Erik Nedeau

1993 WC Marathon GOLD - Plaatjes

BONUS: 1992 Olympic 800 Bronze - Gray

1991 WC Marathon Bronze - Steve Spence

BONUS: 1991 WC 800 Bronze - Everett

1989 Indoor WC 1500 Bronze - Atkinson

1987 WC 1500 Bronze - Spivey

1987 Indoor WC 3000 Bronze - Terry Brahm

1985 Indoor WC 3000 Silver - Don

1984 Olympic Steeplechase Bronze - Brian Diemer

BONUS: 1984 Olympic 800 Bronze - Earl Jones

Women:

2015 WC 10,000 Bronze - Emily Infield

2014 WC Relays 4x1500 Silver - Women

2013 WC 1500 Silver - Jenny Simpson

BONUS: 2013 WC 800 Bronze - Brenda Martinez

2011 WC 1500 GOLD - Simpson

BONUS: 2010 Indoor WC 800 Bronze - Alysia

2009 WC 1500 Bronze - Rowburry

2008 Olympic 10000 Bronze - Flanagan

2007 WC 10000 Bronze - Goucher

2004 Olympic Marathon Bronze - Deena

2004 Indoor WC 3000 Bronze - Shayne Culpepper

2003 Indoor WC 1500 GOLD - Regina

1999 WC 1500 Silver - Regina

1999 Indoor WC 3000 Bronze - Regina

BONUS: 1997 Indoor WC Bronze - Joetta

1995 Indoor WC 1500 GOLD - Regina

1993 Indoor WC 3000 Bronze - Lynn Jennings

BONUS: 1993 Indoor WC 800 Bronze - Joetta

1992 Olympic 10000 Bronze - Jennings

BONUS: 1988 Olympic 800 Bronze - Kim

1985 Indoor WC 3000 Silver - PattiSue Plumer

1984 Olympic Marathon GOLD - Joan

BONUS: 1984 Olympic 800 Silver - Kim