Soo... What ever happened to the Doping Allegations against Salazar, Rupp, and the NOP?

Facts are facts.Magness showed us a picture of the chart, clearly stating "testosterone medication".Is Magness a Salazar fanboy?I don't need Salazar's explanations to see the ambiguity.

Duh Chart wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

TestoBoost and AlphaMale are two legal supplements.

The chart states "testosterone" not TestoBoost or AlphaMale. The chart is not in error. Salazar is lying claiming the chart is wrong. His fanboys buy his lies because that is what they want to believe.

You should look harder.USADA and WADA have both recently shown us that they are not for sale.In any case, if there are no anti-doping rule violations, there is no need to pay off sports federations or anti-doping agencies, or unleash an army of NOP attorneys.

Pay Me wrote:

Looks like someone paid off WADA, USADA, USATF, and IAAF

Duh Attorneys wrote:

Also the army of NOP attorneys unleashed at WADA, USADA, USATF and IAAF to force them to keep silent under threat of massive lawsuits.

Androgel is a medication. Testoboost is not a medication.

Testoboost is a legal supplement because it has no effect on testosterone, unlike testosterone medication, which has the effect you see in the chart that shows his testosterone levels rising.

Thank you. I see; I thought of testosterone-containing supplements (which are all illegal for athletes), and you of testotesterone-boosting supplements (which nobody cares about).

rekrunner wrote:

TestoBoost and AlphaMale are two legal supplements.

rekrunner wrote:

You should look harder.

USADA and WADA have both recently shown us that they are not for sale.

Not really, they have only shown that not everyone can buy them - or they simply couldn't agree on an amount.

USATF, however, has shown that it is willing to violate the rules on demand of Salazar, and Salazar has insisted on having the rules violated on behalf of his athletes. Cf. Grunewald. Conclusion: one can't trust USATF, and one can't trust Salazar.

Runners World asked some doctors (not connected to the controversy) about it, who agreed that "the phrasing was odd" and "“It’s pretty vague, .... It’s odd how it’s written ...."http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/what-does-testosterone-medication-meanI'm not sure any amount of forensic post-analysis of what Dr. Myhre meant when he wrote it, can save the ambiguity of this odd-phrasing, without new, corroborating evidence. But let's see how your distinction plays out.

webby wrote:

Androgel is a medication. Testoboost is not a medication.

Testoboost is a legal supplement because it has no effect on testosterone, unlike testosterone medication, which has the effect you see in the chart that shows his testosterone levels rising.

You're welcome. Don't give me too much credit, I simply read the evidence available to the public. Apparently Salazar cared about testosterone boosting supplements. Some of the NOP athletes who "spoke against" Salazar corroborated that:- Alberto did not ever ask them to take testosterone- Alberto did ask them to take TestoBoost or AlphaMale to help boost their testosterone level (legally)

casual obsever wrote:

Thank you. I see; I thought of testosterone-containing supplements (which are all illegal for athletes), and you of testotesterone-boosting supplements (which nobody cares about).

rekrunner wrote:

TestoBoost and AlphaMale are two legal supplements.

rekrunner wrote:

Runners World asked some doctors (not connected to the controversy) about it, who agreed that "the phrasing was odd" and "“It’s pretty vague, .... It’s odd how it’s written ...."

I'm not sure any amount of forensic post-analysis of what Dr. Myhre meant when he wrote it, can save the ambiguity of this odd-phrasing, without new, corroborating evidence. But let's see how your distinction plays out.

It was written to be vague, intentionally. Laywer-types do that all the time.

Chronology? wrote:

THIS is correct wrote:

Nope. Read the article link and figure out how determined Rupp had a problem with thyroid.

The ESPN article? There is nothing in there at all that would indicate Dr. Brown was not Kara Goucher's doctor before joining the NOP. That is what I am asking about. What do you mean?

Wrong again.

There is nothing in there at all that would indicate Dr. Brown WAS Kara Goucher's doctor.

There is the fact that Dr. Brown WAS Salazar's doctor.

Read more:

What the heck is your problem? Read the above:

1) I asked a question

2) You gave some ridiculous reply about "reading the article", which said nothing about the question I asked

3) I pointed out that the ESPN article did not mention anything about the question I asked. I then asked what you meant, to understand your point and in case I had missed something

4) You wrote "wrong again" (to a question) then pointed out what I just said: that the ESPN article that you posted, to my original question, included nothing that had to do with my question.

Which, if your last point is the one that you were trying to make ("There is nothing in there at all that would indicate Dr. Brown WAS Kara Goucher's doctor. There is the fact that Dr. Brown WAS Salazar's doctor"):

1) You are the one who posted the article as a response to my question. Then, you make a point of showing how it does nothing to answer my question. As if that is somehow my fault

2) You then indicate that the absence of a sentence in one very short ESPN article that says Brown is Kara's doctor indicates that he was definitely not her doctor before NOP. So if I read Syracuse's press release on the men's NCAA XC victory this weekend and it mentions Justyn Knight and Chris Fox, but does not mention that Martin Hehir recruited Justyn Knight on his official visit, that must mean that Martin Hehir did not recruit Justyn Knight on his official visit? That is the logic that are arguing?

3) Furthermore, you say that within this article, it is a fact that Dr. Brown is Salazar's doctor and not Kara Goucher's. Which is also completely wrong, because here is what it says about Dr. Brown: "Rupp went to Texas on Monday for an appointment with Dr. Jeffrey Brown of the Endocrinology Associates of Houston." It says he went with Salazar, his coach, to Houston, not that Brown is Salazar's doctor. We all know that Brown is the doctor for Salazar/NOP, but by your insane lack of logic, the absence of such fact in this short ESPN article proves that to be inconclusive.

Truly insane.

Oh, your feelings got hurt. The article you are claiming states Dr. Brown was either Kara's or Alberto's doctor makes no such claim. It does state that Dr. Brown discovered Rupp had a thyroid problem that needed meds to correct.

Chronology? 2 wrote:

Oh, your feelings got hurt. The article you are claiming states Dr. Brown was either Kara's or Alberto's doctor makes no such claim. It does state that Dr. Brown discovered Rupp had a thyroid problem that needed meds to correct.

What article am I claiming??? I didn't post any article. What are you talking about?

Chronology? 2 wrote:

Oh, your feelings got hurt. The article you are claiming states Dr. Brown was either Kara's or Alberto's doctor makes no such claim. It does state that Dr. Brown discovered Rupp had a thyroid problem that needed meds to correct.

I literally just wrote a post saying that the ESPN article does NOT "state Dr. Brown was either Kara's or Alberto's doctor." In other words, in complete agreement with what you are saying and completely opposite of what you are claiming that I said. Baffled by how you could have completely misconstrued that.

Chronology? wrote:

But didn't Kara introduce Dr. Brown to Salazar in 2004?

Chronology? Wrote: wrote:

Chronology? wrote:

But didn't Kara introduce Dr. Brown to Salazar in 2004?

Exactly. Which is a question. To which another poster then replied with the ESPN article. To which I said does not indicate anything about Kara Goucher's relationship with Brown. Which is exactly what you wrote. C'mon. Think.

Chronology? wrote:

Chronology? Wrote: wrote:

Exactly. Which is a question. To which another poster then replied with the ESPN article. To which I said does not indicate anything about Kara Goucher's relationship with Brown. Which is exactly what you wrote. C'mon. Think.

It makes no difference who introduce who to whom. Only abuse of drugs or prescriptions by a coach or an athlete matter.

BTW, Did you read my answer on the previous page? I don't know about 2004, but Alberto told us that indeed he found Dr. Brown through Kara.I found that in Alberto's letter.

Chronology? wrote:

Chronology? Wrote: wrote:

Exactly. Which is a question. To which another poster then replied with the ESPN article. To which I said does not indicate anything about Kara Goucher's relationship with Brown. Which is exactly what you wrote. C'mon. Think.

rekrunner wrote:

BTW, Did you read my answer on the previous page? I don't know about 2004, but Alberto told us that indeed he found Dr. Brown through Kara.

I found that in Alberto's letter.

Chronology? wrote:

Exactly. Which is a question. To which another poster then replied with the ESPN article. To which I said does not indicate anything about Kara Goucher's relationship with Brown. Which is exactly what you wrote. C'mon. Think.

Alberto said so so it must be true. Kara said not so so she must be lying. This is how NOP fanboys see the world.

When did Kara say that?

What a circle jerk of a thread. As I posted earlier, "YAWN."