Soo... What ever happened to the Doping Allegations against Salazar, Rupp, and the NOP?

Nope he was not.

Igor, PharmD wrote:

Nope he was not.

Yup, he was.

"There was one time when I gave Kara Cytomel. It was in August 2011in Daegu, South Korea. I did so after being expressly directed to do so by Kara’s endocrinologist, Dr. Brown. See Exhibit 21.

I emailed Kara’s endocrinologist, Dr. Brown, the details of Kara’s cortisone shots and asked if he wanted to change anything in her treatment. I also noted that I had picked up the Cytomel Dr. Brown had prescribed for Galen. I further noted that I was on my way to Korea and would be traveling for the next 18 hours. See Exhibit 22."

Furthermore, was Kara Goucher the one who introduced Dr. Brown (her doctor) to Salazar (her coach) in 2004 when she was 26?

Igor Cmon wrote:

[quote]Igor, PharmD wrote:

Furthermore, was Kara Goucher the one who introduced Dr. Brown (her doctor) to Salazar (her coach) in 2004 when she was 26?

That's what I thought too but couldn't find that specifically.

Yes, the evil Dr Brown was Kara's and Adam's "find".

Honestly, you need to find something better to do with yourself. If you truly care about the effect of doping on our sport, you'd spend less time trying to condemn Alberto himself. Clearly, you're hung up on bringing down an individual rather than focusing on the root of the issue. Man, I wish you could see how foolish these posts look from an outside perspective.

Uhhhh, not foolish in the least. The poster brings up many good points.

Shipping non prescribed drugs through customs hidden in books: does that sound normal to anyone on their right mind?

Testing drugs on your son that are not prescribed to you in order to see if it shows up in tests- huh? What? That makes zero sense. Definite no-no.

Giving out medicines to someone that they are not prescribed to? MAJOR no-no.

Finding vials and syringes in a training camp hotel room? Uhhhh, what does an athlete use syringes for besides insulin shots (are any nop'ers diabetic?) and b12 shots (used in people with decreased absorption- plausible, I guess)? How many elites have boxes of syringes laying around?

Notation of 16yo Galen on "testosterone"...even if it was testo-boost, what 16 yo needs MORE testosterone? Your forearm would look like popeye's.

I understand that you're a fan of nop and Salazar, and that's why you're likely defending them. However, in my opinion, your fandom is clouding your judgement.

I'm glad this has been brought back to attention! I followed the breaking news closely when it was all the hype, but there is nothing recent to be found regarding any of the allegations now.

rojo wrote:

OP. Good post. I was thinking the same thing myself. With the Russians and what not, it was easy to forget the Salazar investigation. I was like, "Did it just die quietly." I've made a few calls. I have reason to believe that things are still ongoing. Weldon's post is very much on the money. I expect we'll hear something in early 2016.

So... how did those calls go? I am interested in learning what you have learned.... early 2016 isn't too much of a wait, at least!

David Epstein actually had an interesting take in an extended interview months back. This was after Salazar made his response and we had all the facts that we do now.

Epstein didn't see much chance Salazar would be sanctioned based off of USADA rules. Epstein noted the only rule breaking by Salazar was on things USADA didn't have any authority over. i.e. Distributing prescription medicine, smuggling drugs through customs. I don't recall Epstein saying that the testosterone experiment was illegal in itself.

What I'm wondering is if USADA has the authority to punish Salazar on a more general charge of "acts discreditable". That is, Salazar didn't break any rules. But there was a critical mass of shady stuff that ran contrary to the spirit of the rules.

But I believe the truth is that the USADA virtually knew everything Salazar was doing and gave him the ok. I think that is the awkward situation they are in if you believe Salazar did commit wrong doing. If they want to bring Salazar/NOP down, then Salazar and Nike is in a position to take USADA officials down with them.

Those exhibits do not mention an athlete's name. Dr. Brown's emails are generic.

What kind of challenges? Maybe these:- Which anti-doping rule was actually broken?- By whom?I guess this will take much longer than the statute of limitations, and will be a complete waste of resources that could be better used to fight anti-doping.Unless there is new evidence, and further claims, USADA simply doesn't have the jurisdiction for anything Alberto did wrong.USADA can:- Ban Alberto's sons- Lobby for rule changes

rimrunner wrote:

It's taking time to respond to the endless challenges from the army of NOP attorneys.

I pretty much agree with this. He may have violated local, state, federal, international laws, distributing "non-banned" substances, but this case was never about "doping allegations", except for one ambiguous notation on a chart.

coach d wrote:

There may be criminal investigations taking place. WADA did call for this when the information about Salazar rubbing testosterone gel on his son came out, and there are criminal investigations involving Diack and others in the IAAF (and WADA has delayed the portion of its report dealing with the IAAF because of this). Sending restricted drugs through the mail and giving a prescription medication (Cytomel) to someone who doesn't have a prescription are both Federal Offences.

But, frankly, what Salazar did now seems pretty lame compared to what Diack, the IAAF, and Nike (paying bribes to Kenyan officials on the ARD video) did.

There's a third possibility -- that the article you provided claims something else.Salazar didn't say that the sabotage itself "in that way" was ridiculous. He said it was ridiculous to think, if Trevor Graham saw something suspicious on April 22, that Chris would have ever been allowed near Gatlin again. Yet they all worked together up to the US Championships. Salazar is calling Graham's "story" preposterous, because if the April 22nd incident really occurred, then Graham himself would have reacted differently from that point on:"Trevor is a world-renowned, legendary coach," Salazar said. "Right then and there, if he sees somebody acting strange and putting something in his pocket, he's going to put a stop to it and figure out what the heck is going on. It wouldn't go any further than that. And Chris would never get close to Justin again."So Salazar didn't deny that Whetstine could have sabotaged Gatlin, but thought that Graham's description of the events didn't add up.

Curiosity Killed the Cat wrote:

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Salazar's claim is this: He ran the tests on his son to make sure he would in some way be able to prevent his athletes being "sabotaged". He was afraid someone would grab Galen, rub testosterone cream all over him, test him for testosterone, and then have him banned. In his response to Magness, Alberto actually calls the androgel experiment "the sabotage test". He cites the Whetstine/Gatlin incident as proof that such a test was necessary.

In this article

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandfield/news/story?id=2539489

Salazar calls the claim that someone could be sabotaged in that way "preposterous".

So either he's lying or he went completely insane in the years between these two incidents. Again, no real proof. ...

I can confirm, as an "outside observer", that the Alberto Salazar witch hunt does look foolish, personal, and childish.

Frank N. Stein, MD wrote:

Igor Cmon wrote:

[quote]Igor, PharmD wrote:

Furthermore, was Kara Goucher the one who introduced Dr. Brown (her doctor) to Salazar (her coach) in 2004 when she was 26?

That's what I thought too but couldn't find that specifically.

Yes, the evil Dr Brown was Kara's and Adam's "find".

Not only that, I believe he was mqgnesses as well! Fact that he and Kara both left out conveniently. Lock them up already.

rekrunner wrote:

I pretty much agree with this. He may have violated local, state, federal, international laws, distributing "non-banned" substances, but this case was never about "doping allegations", except for one ambiguous notation on a chart.

What strikes you as ambiguous about a chart that says Rupp is on testosterone and shows his testosterone levels rising over a period of two years from the middle to the top of the normal range at an age when testosterone levels typically fall?

I'd be willing to bet that he's still at the very top of the normal range, which isn't at all normal for someone his age.

I suspect the lab tech has been interviewed and asked if he might have thought testosterone and testoboost were synonyms -- at least if the investigation is serious. (Big "if").

Slivery Slope wrote:

I can confirm, as an "outside observer", that the Alberto Salazar witch hunt does look foolish, personal, and childish.

I can confirm, as an "outside observer", that the Alberto Salazar defence does look foolish, personal, and childish.

See how easy that is?

Truth..... wrote:

Frank N. Stein, MD wrote:

That's what I thought too but couldn't find that specifically.

Yes, the evil Dr Brown was Kara's and Adam's "find".

Not only that, I believe he was mqgnesses as well! Fact that he and Kara both left out conveniently. Lock them up already.

No dr brown is NOP's doctor. Innocent Salazar's personal discovery.

nikeman wrote:

Believe it or not, no one had any actual evidence against them so the whole thing died.

Except for Alberto's own words that he was putting testosterone on his son to test for "sabotage"

Nothing here.

giggle test wrote:

nikeman wrote:

Believe it or not, no one had any actual evidence against them so the whole thing died.

Except for Alberto's own words that he was putting testosterone on his son to test for "sabotage"

Nothing here.

And except for sending controlled drugs stealthily through the U.S. Mail to get "around" customs.

Nothing here.