Nick Willis calls TnF a 'complete joke'.

more than stimulants ......

like jim ryun

wasnt on those steroids form age of eighteen .

average dose to raise hct and aid recovery

perfect for middle disatnces

just what the success of british middle distance

was build largely on in 80's

bar blood doping here and there the stable was steroids

yes cram ,you ,coe so obvious and all above

just the lucky high responders and get that much higher hct from em

thank your kidneys for being so responsive boys...

Could someone tweet DEAR nick

and ask him as he ever heard of

IGF-1 lr3 and its place in distance running .

and middle .

with keeping weight way down and peaking easier and speed offers.

there is a massive chance he is legit as that fast time as

know was on one of new ILLEGAL bouncier tracks .

and new zealander is a healthy and hearthy fertile land

that produces strong people .

SIdenote when are iaaf going to suspend or better ban these

new bouncier tracks ,monaco and beijing so far ,and london somewhat.

unfair on previous athletes that had to run there fast times on normal track

nah ryun wasn't a cheater. He just did the classic 40x440. I can attest to it, I run it weekly and it puts you in great shape. although I'm always injured..... I wonder why?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Sorry, some of us actually know something about this.

Please let us know what that is.

Please also take a look at when the world records were set and let me know your thoughts on micro dosing EPO as a means to avoid a positive.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Male hormones will have a greater impact on the athletic performances of women than on those of men.

Did you make this up or do you have something legitimate to back this up?

Always good to see an opinion. If he is saying â…” are dirty, I am wondering who he suspects. I would like to see them clean house but it's a tough road.

My hope it is made illegal to dope in major sports in the richer countries. TnF and cycling can't lead antidoping for all sports. It's so much harder when sports like soccer, football, baseball and basketball barely care about the issue.

oscar pitorius and seb coe are sitting at a bar.

oscar says ya havnt got a leg to stand on bannin countries

seb:ucantalk

TLW wrote:

All the world records are a joke.

If you think there is a 1 clean world record you are utterly delusional.

Men's 800 is clean. There is no effective way to dope a Duane Solomon / David Rudisha / Johnny Gray type. 800/1500 types are very dopable with EPO but VO2max is not the limiting factor for 400/800 men. Nor can anabolics/HGH help them.

Because PEDs like testosterone and others have a much greater effect on female athletes than male athletes because they do not have as much naturally as men. In the old Soviet days of state-sponsored drugging there were far and away more superior female athletes because of drugging than male. Same with the East Germans. It was the females who really benefited the most.

Good catch. The research appeared to be a few tweets. At least its a start.

wtfunny wrote:

Finally .. an article like this in the WP . and it's written by

....

"Kelyn Soong is a news aide, blogger and reporter in the sports section. He currently covers high school and local tennis and has written about a variety of sports."

Willis is right .. TnF IS a f'in joke.

utter rubbish, 3 dopers.

epo or steroids dont work for 400.!

rudisha record is so dirty igf-1 lik duane nd gw50 4 endura

Basis?

TLW wrote:

... EPO, the most powerful endurance drug ever created, ...

iamgod wrote:

I'd be very surprised if Willis isn't doping. As he himself points out, the mathematics point to it.

Nick is a Christian. People who believe in God don't cheat.

Crikey, this is such a depressing thread!

I don't know why some posters on here even watch or follow the sport, as they seem convinced everyone of any note has doped, mostly without a shred of evidence and based on the fact they ran fast.

Anyone can start a rumour by saying, 'I train with someone who knew athlete X, and it is well known they doped'. This is NOT evidence.

I really believe that the vast majority, at least 3/4 of the world's elite, don't dope. Neither do I think it was more or less widespread in earlier decades, with the exception of the mid 90's to 00's, when EPO wasn't detectable.

We have 'some' evidence that some long distance runners from Italy and Finland blood doped in the 70's and 80's. As far as I'm aware they were from specific groups and not sure if state backed? But even if a couple from each country have admitted to it, there is no evidence to claim that ALL Italian and Finnish runners doped, or that long distance athletes from other countries did so as well. In fact I don't know of any other incident outside these 2 nations during this period where an athlete was found to have done so.

Of course we also now know that there was an East German state programme of doping in the 70's and 80's, and it would seem in light of what's happened recently, that was probably the case in most Eastern block countries during this period. It is strange to note however, that none of these nations had any male middle of distance runners that were particularly outstanding or dominant. Surely that indicates that there was little that was believed could be done at this time to improve in these distances. Women, and power events for men, yes, they led the world, and these would all benefit from steroids.

We also know that there is a culture of doping in the sprints, led by US runners over the years.

Didn't the USTAF carry out doping tests in their athletes prior to the 84 Olympics, and didn't they then warn, rather than ban, dozens of athletes who tested positive? E.g Lewis.

And didn't 100's of samples from athletes taken in the last day of competition miraculously disappear?

To me that doesn't sound much different to what the Russians are being accused of now!

I do think that the rise of the African nations (and to a lesser extent Jamaica) in the 90's and beyond, had something to do with the lax testing systems in these countries, together with some unscrupulous European agents and natural advantages. Some names and some agents' athletes and some nations seem particularly guilty of cheating. But that doesn't mean I think all Kenyans are doping.

I do think, overall, that there are fewer cheats in athletics right now than 10 or 20 years ago, and that there have been many great athletes who were/ are clean, and yet are being unfairly vilified or condemned without any concrete evidence.

I quit following pro track with any enthusiasm years ago, right around the time I quit following cycling. The sport is as legit as pro wrestling.

rekrunner wrote:

Basis?

EPO is released and you have almost a minute drop in the 10k world record during the 90s. The 5k WR fell 20 seconds during this period.

20 years later people are barely close to regularly running the times they did in the 90s.

Also watch some races from the 90s and see how insane they were, whole packs of guys going berserk from the start.

Additionally, look at other endurance sports. Cycling was entertaining to watch but an absolute joke with EPO. Did you ever watch the TdF in the 90s?

I know from your previous posts you don't believe in EPO, drug usage or whatever but I cannot really grasp how you don't see the connection - EPO released early 90s, insane races on a consistent basis, WRs are crushed over and over, EPO is obviously the reason here.

TLW wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Basis?

EPO is released and you have almost a minute drop in the 10k world record during the 90s. The 5k WR fell 20 seconds during this period.

20 years later people are barely close to regularly running the times they did in the 90s.

Also watch some races from the 90s and see how insane they were, whole packs of guys going berserk from the start.

Not saying they are innocent by any means, but Bekele set the current records in 2004/2005 and ran 26:25 in 2008. That's not 20 years ago. Geb held the records 20 years ago. 26:43 and 12:44.

Then we've seen Bekeke and Lagat run under 13 closing in 51.9/52.0. They didn't run WR's but they went from 63ish pace to 51.9, they both were in shape to run close to the WR then. Lagat just never attempted it. Farah has been in that kind of shape for years now. Again no attempts at fast times like Bekele did.

People aren't running near records because the elite don't set up the attempts like they used to.

HistoryRevisionist..... wrote:

Not saying they are innocent by any means, but Bekele set the current records in 2004/2005 and ran 26:25 in 2008. That's not 20 years ago. Geb held the records 20 years ago. 26:43 and 12:44.

Then we've seen Bekeke and Lagat run under 13 closing in 51.9/52.0. They didn't run WR's but they went from 63ish pace to 51.9, they both were in shape to run close to the WR then. Lagat just never attempted it. Farah has been in that kind of shape for years now. Again no attempts at fast times like Bekele did.

People aren't running near records because the elite don't set up the attempts like they used to.

EPO test came out in 2001, wasn't perfected until after that and athletes could still micro dose to evade a positive until Bio Passport but you couldn't go full bore doping like in the 90s.

I referenced 20 years ago because that's when times were consistently destroyed and we saw stupid drops in times.

Bio passport came out in 2008 and we saw a shift.

Elites set up fast races because they could do it back then, they can't do it now because of bio passport and testing.

Sponsors still have clauses saying if you break a WR you get $XXX,XXX.00. The incentive is still there, elites cannot do it now so yes, time trials are not set up anymore because the field, including the pace makers, are not hot sauced up.

When it's 2025 and the 1500m/5k/10k records still stand it will be a bit more obvious like the womens WR now.

HistoryRevisionist..... wrote:

Farah has been in that kind of shape for years now. Again no attempts at fast times like Bekele did.

You don't think the Nike sponsored, double Olympic Champion couldn't set up a WR attempt for 5k/10k if he wanted to?