13njdjgkskgsndgsd wrote:
wow good young core
-blake haney
-matthew maton
-tanner anderson
-drew hunter
should be an interesting next few years
Would think they should be favored to win 2 national championships in the next few years. Maybe more depending on how quickly other people develop and where other recruits fill in, etc.
Take the long road wrote:
It's a good investment wrote:Credit to Hunter for making an investment on his future career. He's the most talented American high school runner since the Big 3 (possibly Fisher and Maton, but I'm not sure), and there's a very clear path ahead that could lead to him winning prestige, money, and some hardware in a sport he loves if everything breaks right. It's likely enough that he'll work as hard as he can for everything to break right. If his pro career doesn't work out, he can always go to grad school, provided he has the grades, and grad school matters more than undergrad in terms of a career. Yes, he'd probably be more prepared for life with a Stanford degree, but not to such a degree that he'll be at a serious detriment with an Oregon degree, and the more attention he'll be able to focus on running might be worth it.
Good luck to Andrew and all the fine young talent that we are lucky to witness.
You sound like you may have been involved in his decision. If so, I am sure much thought went into that decision. Any institution would have been lucky to have him. He will do great things at Oregon.
I have absolutely no affiliation with Hunter, but I'm sure much thought went into the decision. Maybe it was along the lines of what I wrote; more likely, he and his family considered this and other aspects we're not even thinking about to come to their ultimate decision. I look forward to watching him run at Oregon.
Andrew has had great guidance from his family. His Dad, Marc has represented the US in the World CC meet and his Uncle Kerry has coached some very good distance runners in Ohio.
It would not surprise me to see him challenge Ches for the top spot in Eugene just as Steve Pre did fresh out of Marshfield HS. I can see him going under 8:30 and 4:00 during outdoor.
Take the long road wrote:
13njdjgkskgsndgsd wrote:wow good young core
-blake haney
-matthew maton
-tanner anderson
-drew hunter
should be an interesting next few years
There is no denying that this is an amazing group of young talent. They will push each other to do great things. They will be tough to beat. And hopefully some will turn pro and have that experience for a few years.
My guess is that greater than fifty percent of this group would have gone to Stanford if they would have been able to make the academic requirements for acceptance.
I say that because of the longer term advantages a Stanford education and other institutions like Georgetown and many others will bring. Stanford, and others, are at a disadvantage, when it comes to recruiting top athletes, when compared to Oregon, because of their difficult entrance requirements. Oregon has several advantages when it comes to recruiting athletes (emphasis on track & field, training facilities, connection with Nike and all that brings or dangles, very good coaching). Arguably, academic requirements, may be their number one advantage.
Andrew Hunter is a big "swing" type of athlete, given this years recruiting class not being as strong as last years. Had he gone to Stanford he would have tipped the scale in Stanford's favor with respect to young (frosh/soph) mid-distance and distance talent. By him going to Oregon, he tips the scale to them having the stronger group of current young talent - in my opinion.
There are several other great university programs for middle and long distance runners that combine varying levels of academic excellence. Some emphasize one area more than the other. For a program that emphasizes both middle and long distance, and has the top young talent in both, it is hard to beat Oregon. Stanford gets my nod as number one with respect to all around academic, athletic, and current and future opportunities that that brings.
Harbaugh got Stanford to lower academic standards for athletes... FYI
Coaches News Network wrote:
Andrew has had great guidance from his family. His Dad, Marc has represented the US in the World CC meet and his Uncle Kerry has coached some very good distance runners in Ohio.
It would not surprise me to see him challenge Ches for the top spot in Eugene just as Steve Pre did fresh out of Marshfield HS. I can see him going under 8:30 and 4:00 during outdoor.
Hunter challenging Ches for the top spot? They probably won't ever race together.
w/Vin still at Stanford, these guys would be going there, because you can't trust the coaches currently there to keep people healthy. Oregon has an embarrassment of riches with parades of sub-4 milers each year now. They had sub 3:40 guys coming out of the woodwork last June, some of whom didn't even merit spots at NCAA's.
georgetown wrote:
Georgetown has a rich history from the 90s, nothing recent. Most of their best runners of recent quit shortly after graduating.
Oregon literally floods the professional scene with runners.
Rupp
Puskedra
Wheating
Centro
Acosta
McNamara
Jenkins
Chez (still there, but professional quality)
..and that was super quick off the top of my head, probably plenty more if I googled.
Don't forget Greer and Fleet. Then there's Gardner, Prandini, Roesler, Baker, White, Francis on the women's side.
Has anyone other than Verzbicas gone sub-4:00 and sub-8:40 while in H.S.?
None that I'm aware of at this point. Current bests4:028:42Certainly puts him in that strata
Zatopecker wrote:
Has anyone other than Verzbicas gone sub-4:00 and sub-8:40 while in H.S.?
Clark Kent wrote:
https://twitter.com/drewhunter00/status/664964930425098240
If you scroll down a little there is a photo of Edward Cheserek sitting next to Grant Fisher. It really struck me just how thin (not in an unhealthy way, they look healthy) both of them are. It really does make a difference. I'm guessing the team coached by the guy obsessed with thinness will really try to sign them after college.
I would pick Oregon over Stanford in a heartbeat, especially if I was a top nationally ranked runner. I can't figure why Grant went to Stanford - esp given that he is not likely to go to graduate school. The decision only makes sense if (1) Oregon didn't offer a scholarship, and/or (2) he really plans to go to graduate school and thinks that a Stanford education will result in an increased LSAT, MCAT, GRE score... Trust me Johns Hopkins Med School will take a kid scoring in the 99th MCAT percentile from Oregon over a 95th MCAT percentile from Stanford everyday.
Tamagno also to oregon.
Haney
Maton
Anderson
Thomet
Hunter
Tamagno
Jesus christ. MILER U
Thomet, Anderson, and Hunter are not milers. Maton might be a 5k guy himself, and Tamagno may well move up too. But I'm just splitting hairs. Holy crap.
Next year ncaa favorites?
Cheserek
Neuman
Leingang
Maton
Anderson
Hunter
Tamagno
Blargh wrote:
Next year ncaa favorites?
Cheserek
Neuman
Leingang
Maton
Anderson
Hunter
Tamagno
They're such a track-oriented team that I don't see it. They'll be up there though.
Umm, actually wrote:
Thomet, Anderson, and Hunter are not milers. Maton might be a 5k guy himself, and Tamagno may well move up too. But I'm just splitting hairs. Holy crap.
I agree; Hunter has said in the past that he thinks he will eventually be a 3-5k guy...I can envision Tamagno being a potential 1500 guy if he chooses. Amazing form and turnover...
With all this talk about Hunter and Tomagno, I think people are forgetting about Levi Thomet. This kid is a bit under the radar because he is from Alaska and skipped some big US races while he was studying in an impressive international program in Germany. His last big race was the Foot Locker Indoor 2 mile championships, where is was nipped at the wire by Hunter. His high school junior times were 4:07 (mile) and 8:48 (2 mile).
Milling Miler wrote:
With all this talk about Hunter and Tomagno, I think people are forgetting about Levi Thomet. This kid is a bit under the radar because he is from Alaska and skipped some big US races while he was studying in an impressive international program in Germany. His last big race was the Foot Locker Indoor 2 mile championships, where is was nipped at the wire by Hunter. His high school junior times were 4:07 (mile) and 8:48 (2 mile).
I think people are forgetting about Thomet because his 4:07 and 8:48 were, in fact, run when he was a high school senior. He ran the same Brooks 2 mile where Hunter ran 8:42, and finished near last in 8:58, if I recall correctly. There was some jerk on the boards a few months ago who said things to the effect that Thomet wouldn't get recruited anywhere and was not worth any help; that is not the case, clearly. But he has not shown he's in the same tier as Tamagno or Hunter--very, very close, but not there yet.
I look at classes wrote:
Milling Miler wrote:With all this talk about Hunter and Tomagno, I think people are forgetting about Levi Thomet. This kid is a bit under the radar because he is from Alaska and skipped some big US races while he was studying in an impressive international program in Germany. His last big race was the Foot Locker Indoor 2 mile championships, where is was nipped at the wire by Hunter. His high school junior times were 4:07 (mile) and 8:48 (2 mile).
I think people are forgetting about Thomet because his 4:07 and 8:48 were, in fact, run when he was a high school senior. He ran the same Brooks 2 mile where Hunter ran 8:42, and finished near last in 8:58, if I recall correctly. There was some jerk on the boards a few months ago who said things to the effect that Thomet wouldn't get recruited anywhere and was not worth any help; that is not the case, clearly. But he has not shown he's in the same tier as Tamagno or Hunter--very, very close, but not there yet.
You can't really predict how those runners will develop based on who is a few seconds faster (even 10-15 seconds faster over 2 miles.) If Thomet was on a sensible training program, I'd take him over someone with slightly better times who flogged themselves. Physical and mental maturation also come into play as they progress in college and beyond. As Mark Twain said, "There are three types of lie: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Not just about HS times wrote:
I look at classes wrote:I think people are forgetting about Thomet because his 4:07 and 8:48 were, in fact, run when he was a high school senior. He ran the same Brooks 2 mile where Hunter ran 8:42, and finished near last in 8:58, if I recall correctly. There was some jerk on the boards a few months ago who said things to the effect that Thomet wouldn't get recruited anywhere and was not worth any help; that is not the case, clearly. But he has not shown he's in the same tier as Tamagno or Hunter--very, very close, but not there yet.
You can't really predict how those runners will develop based on who is a few seconds faster (even 10-15 seconds faster over 2 miles.) If Thomet was on a sensible training program, I'd take him over someone with slightly better times who flogged themselves. Physical and mental maturation also come into play as they progress in college and beyond. As Mark Twain said, "There are three types of lie: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
I certainly agree that not flogging yourself into the ground in high school is key, and certainly Trevor Dunbar's improvement in college bodes well, but the exciting thing about Tamagno and Hunter is that those two really are not overtrained. Hunter certainly trains with an eye for aerobic development, not destroying himself with intervals, and Tamagno is relatively low mileage. The two still have plenty of upside, and they're already this good.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
2024 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.