Official 2015 NCAA XC Regional Live Discussion Thread

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  • http://livecoverage.flotrackDP
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:05pm CST
    re: Dannnggg
    Forum Index
    Women Auto Qualifying Teams:
    South: Vanderbilt & Mississippi State
    South Central: Arkansas & Texas
    Mid Atlantic: Penn State & Georgetown
    NorthEast: Providence & Syracuse
    SouthEast: Virginia & North Carolina State
    Great Lakes: Michigan & Notre Dame
    MidWest: Oklahoma State & Iowa State
    Mountain: Colorado & New Mexico
    West: Oregon & Boise State

    At Large:
    Washington
    Stanford
    Utah
    BYU
    Michigan State
    Princeton
    Weber State
    Minnesota
    Tulsa
    Kansas
    Wisconsin
    Purdue
    Villanova


    First Team Out:
    NAU
  • 345elmore
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:05pm CST
    re: Dannnggg
    Forum Index
    Do UTEP only have Kenyan athletes? Such a piss take.
  • runfarfast
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:08pm CST
    re: http://livecoverage.flotrackDP
    Forum Index
    Big discrepencies... Flotrack and LRC going head to head... who knows kolas?
  • yyhhsikf
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:09pm CST
    re: runfarfast
    Forum Index
    Those two lists aren't even close.
  • minority report
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:09pm CST
    re: Dannnggg
    Forum Index
    Dannnggg wrote:

    http://www.liverunningresults.com/public_html/events/ncaamountain2015/

    Dressel impressive for a 18 yo running at altitude for first time.

    More than two years younger than anyone else in Colorado's top 7.
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:11pm CST
    re: rojo
    Forum Index
    We're rerunning this as Texas at 40th at pre Nats was not in our database.
  • IO812
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:15pm CST
    re: LetsRun.com
    Forum Index
    Flotrack disagrees with you!

    Washington
    Stanford
    Utah
    BYU
    MSU
    Princeton
    Weber State
    Minnesota
    Tulsa
    Kansas
    Wisconsin
    Purdue
    Villanova
  • Whooooo
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:17pm CST
    re: LetsRun.com
    Forum Index
    South central is BAD!
  • reed
    registered
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:20pm CST
    re: Whooooo
    Forum Index
    west regional update: lead pack through 5k in 15:33, team scores kinda useless at this point
  • West Region Watcher
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:20pm CST
    re: Whooooo
    Forum Index
    What's the differences?

    San Francisco / Gonzaga

    vs.

    Wisconsin / Villanova

    Others?
  • 800/marathon master
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:21pm CST
    re: Not a Coach
    Forum Index
    And without the S African girl. If they can get her healthy they will be a powerhouse.

    Not a Coach wrote:

    Of those Top 3 Boise State girls there are two freshman and a sophomore. They might be good for a few years.
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:30pm CST
    re: 800/marathon master
    Forum Index
    Here is our updated list with Texas counting in the pre Nats results:

    1 michigan
    2 notre dame
    3 penn state
    4 georgetown
    5 oklahoma state
    6 iowa state
    7 colorado
    8 new mexico
    9 providence
    10 syracuse
    11 vanderbilt
    12 mississippi state
    13 arkansas
    14 texas
    15 virginia
    16 nc state
    17 oregon
    18 boise state
    19 washington
    20 stanford
    21 princeton
    22 utah
    23 byu
    24 san francisco
    25 gonzaga
    26 michigan state
    27 minnesota
    28 villanova
    29 west virginia
    30 north carolina
    31 william and mary

    Logic here: http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/11/2015-womens-ncaa-cross-country-team-qualifiers/
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:31pm CST
    re: IO812
    Forum Index
    IO812 wrote:

    Flotrack disagrees with you!

    Washington
    Stanford
    Utah
    BYU
    MSU
    Princeton
    Weber State
    Minnesota
    Tulsa
    Kansas
    Wisconsin
    Purdue
    Villanova

    Our initial list was wrong as we didn't go down to #40 (Texas at Wisco). We have updated the article. See below for the new list of teams.

    We still are getting a different list. They have Purdue and Wisco going in whereas we have San Francisco and Gonzaga. If you can figure out if anything is wrong with the logic below, please tell us.

    Teams selected:

    1 michigan
    2 notre dame
    3 penn state
    4 georgetown
    5 oklahoma state
    6 iowa state
    7 colorado
    8 new mexico
    9 providence
    10 syracuse
    11 vanderbilt
    12 mississippi state
    13 arkansas
    14 texas
    15 virginia
    16 nc state
    17 oregon
    18 boise state


    19 washington
    20 stanford
    21 utah
    22 byu
    23 san francisco
    24 gonzaga
    25 princeton
    26 michigan state
    27 minnesota
    28 tulsa
    29 kansas
    30 weber state
    31 villanova


    Automatically selected:
    1: michigan is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    2: notre dame is selected, has losses to (wisonsin_invite) washington, byu;
    3: penn state is selected, has losses to (wisonsin_invite) washington, byu;
    4: georgetown is selected, has losses to (prenats) stanford, utah;
    5: oklahoma state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    6: iowa state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    7: colorado is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    8: new mexico is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    9: providence is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    10: syracuse is selected, has losses to (wisonsin_invite) washington, byu;
    11: vanderbilt is selected, has losses to (wisonsin_invite) washington, byu, princeton, michigan state, minnesota, william and mary, columbia;
    12: mississippi state is selected, has losses to (prenats) stanford;
    13: arkansas is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    14: texas is selected, has losses to (big12s) west virginia, kansas, oklahoma; (prenats) stanford, utah, weber state, purdue, villanova, california, air force, eastern washington, yale, cal poly, colorado state, san francisco, brown, kansas, eastern kentucky, new hampshire, cornell, bradley, eastern michigan, virginia tech, duke, utah state, oklahoma, coastal carolina, florida, connecticut, clemson, missouri, rice, james madison, wichita state, stephen f austin, wyoming, bowling green;
    15: virginia is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    16: nc state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    17: oregon is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
    18: boise state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: byu (4), washington (4), stanford (3), utah (2), brown (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), kansas (2), colorado state (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), weber state (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), san francisco (1), wichita state (1), air force (1), eastern michigan (1), new hampshire (1), california (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), west virginia (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), eastern washington (1), clemson (1), cal poly (1), columbia (1), james madison (1), missouri (1),
    washington wins head-to-head tiebreaker over byu (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite, washington_invite)
    19: washington is selected, has losses to (pac12s) stanford;

    Teams under consideration: byu (4), stanford (4), utah (2), brown (1), san francisco (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), kansas (2), air force (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), weber state (1), missouri (1), cal poly (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), columbia (1), wichita state (1), colorado state (1), eastern michigan (1), eastern washington (1), california (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), new hampshire (1), clemson (1), james madison (1), west virginia (1),
    stanford wins head-to-head tiebreaker over byu (relevant meets: washington_invite)
    20: stanford is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: byu (4), utah (2), brown (1), san francisco (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), gonzaga (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), kansas (2), colorado state (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), weber state (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), wichita state (1), air force (1), eastern michigan (1), new hampshire (1), california (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), west virginia (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), eastern washington (1), clemson (1), cal poly (1), columbia (1), james madison (1), missouri (1),
    byu not selected with push (gets in later on their own)
    21: utah is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: byu (4), weber state (1), brown (1), san francisco (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), gonzaga (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), kansas (2), colorado state (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), wichita state (1), air force (1), eastern michigan (1), new hampshire (1), california (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), west virginia (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), eastern washington (1), clemson (1), cal poly (1), columbia (1), james madison (1), missouri (1),
    22: byu is selected, has losses to (wcccs) gonzaga;

    Teams under consideration: weber state (1), brown (1), san francisco (1), gonzaga (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), kansas (2), air force (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), missouri (1), cal poly (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), columbia (1), wichita state (1), colorado state (1), eastern michigan (1), eastern washington (1), california (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), new hampshire (1), clemson (1), james madison (1), west virginia (1),
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: prenats, roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and gonzaga (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and princeton (relevant meets: )
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    san francisco wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and gonzaga (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and michigan state (relevant meets: )
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: heps)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    gonzaga wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: wcccs)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for san francisco and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for san francisco and princeton (relevant meets: )
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: prenats)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and michigan state (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and princeton (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and villanova (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite, princeton_interregional)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over michigan state (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for michigan state and villanova (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: big10s, wisonsin_invite, roy_griak)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    gonzaga wins common opponents over princeton (common opponents: duke, duquesne, northern arizona, washington, ucla, wake forest, iona, arizona state, washington state, wisconsin, portland, iowa state, villanova, saint johns, baylor, cornell, smu, byu, air force, minnesota, north carolina, providence, arkansas, toledo, ohio state, indiana, san francisco, boise state, brown, lamar, michigan state, columbia, penn, tulsa, monmouth, loyola marymount, yale, virginia, oregon, vanderbilt, harvard, new mexico, dartmouth, notre dame, syracuse, william and mary, boston college, stanford, florida state, oregon state, eastern washington, virginia tech, west virginia, penn state, nc state)
    23: san francisco is selected, gives no points (pushed in)
    24: gonzaga is selected, has losses to (washington_invite) air force;

    Teams under consideration: weber state (1), brown (1), california (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), arizona state (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: air force (2), oklahoma (2), kansas (2), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), missouri (1), cal poly (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), columbia (1), wichita state (1), colorado state (1), eastern michigan (1), eastern washington (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), new hampshire (1), clemson (1), james madison (1), west virginia (1),
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats, roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and princeton (relevant meets: )
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    california wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and michigan state (relevant meets: )
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: heps)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and princeton (relevant meets: )
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite, princeton_interregional)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over michigan state (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for michigan state and villanova (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: big10s, wisonsin_invite, roy_griak)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    25: princeton is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: weber state (1), brown (1), california (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), villanova (1), west virginia (1), minnesota (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), arizona state (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), air force (2), kansas (2), colorado state (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), wichita state (1), eastern michigan (1), new hampshire (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), eastern washington (1), clemson (1), cal poly (1), columbia (1), james madison (1), missouri (1),
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats, roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    california wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and michigan state (relevant meets: )
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    william and mary wins head-to-head tiebreaker over west virginia (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for michigan state and villanova (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over west virginia (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: big10s, wisonsin_invite, roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over west virginia (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    26: michigan state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: weber state (1), brown (1), california (1), william and mary (1), purdue (1), villanova (1), west virginia (1), minnesota (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), arizona state (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: air force (2), oklahoma (2), kansas (2), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), missouri (1), cal poly (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), columbia (1), wichita state (1), colorado state (1), eastern michigan (1), eastern washington (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), new hampshire (1), clemson (1), james madison (1),
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats, roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over purdue (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    california wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: battle_in_beantown, prenats)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for william and mary and purdue (relevant meets: )
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    william and mary wins head-to-head tiebreaker over west virginia (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for purdue and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over purdue (relevant meets: big10s)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over west virginia (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    27: minnesota is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: kansas (2), weber state (1), brown (1), california (1), william and mary (1), purdue (1), villanova (1), west virginia (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), arizona state (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), air force (2), colorado state (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), wichita state (1), eastern michigan (1), new hampshire (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), eastern washington (1), clemson (1), cal poly (1), columbia (1), james madison (1), missouri (1),
    28: tulsa is selected, gives no points (pushed in)
    29: kansas is selected, has losses to (big12s) west virginia; (prenats) weber state, purdue, villanova, california, air force, eastern washington, yale, cal poly, colorado state, brown;

    Teams under consideration: weber state (2), brown (2), california (2), purdue (2), villanova (2), west virginia (2), oklahoma (2), william and mary (1), bradley (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), arizona state (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: air force (3), colorado state (2), yale (2), eastern washington (2), cal poly (2), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), virginia tech (1), wichita state (1), eastern michigan (1), new hampshire (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), clemson (1), columbia (1), james madison (1), missouri (1),
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats, roy_griak)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over purdue (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over oklahoma (relevant meets: prenats)
    california wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: battle_in_beantown, prenats)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    brown wins head-to-head tiebreaker over oklahoma (relevant meets: prenats)
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for california and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    california wins head-to-head tiebreaker over oklahoma (relevant meets: prenats)
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for purdue and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    purdue wins head-to-head tiebreaker over oklahoma (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and west virginia (relevant meets: )
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over oklahoma (relevant meets: prenats)
    west virginia wins head-to-head tiebreaker over oklahoma (relevant meets: big12s)
    weber state wins common opponents over west virginia (common opponents: air force, tcu, stephen f austin, coastal carolina, cornell, wyoming, minnesota, dartmouth, rice, texas, brown, tulsa, michigan, utah, virginia, syracuse, purdue, stanford, wichita state, idaho, yale, virginia tech, northern arizona, bradley, arizona, san francisco, iowa state, villanova, baylor, smu, colorado state, providence, eastern michigan, arkansas, toledo, eastern washington, texas tech, lamar, michigan state, wisconsin, vanderbilt, south dakota, california, new mexico, eastern kentucky, notre dame, mississippi state, florida, harvard, utah state, duke, byu, colorado, washington, marquette, oklahoma state, ucla, north carolina, indiana, georgetown, pittsburgh, oregon, connecticut, princeton, idaho state, bowling green, florida state, new hampshire, clemson, nc state, iona, central michigan, arizona state, illinois, ohio state, boise state, columbia, kansas, montana, james madison, montana state, william and mary, boston college, cal poly, kansas state, portland state, missouri, penn state, oklahoma)
    30: weber state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

    Teams under consideration: brown (2), california (2), villanova (2), bradley (1), northern arizona (0), smu (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), alabama (0),
    Others with points: air force (3), purdue (2), cal poly (2), yale (2), oklahoma (2), colorado state (2), eastern washington (2), west virginia (2), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), missouri (1), virginia tech (1), columbia (1), wichita state (1), eastern michigan (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), new hampshire (1), clemson (1), james madison (1), william and mary (1),
    california wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over california (relevant meets: prenats)
    31: villanova is selected, has losses to (princeton_interregional) north carolina, columbia; (prenats) purdue;
  • the right answer
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:33pm CST
    re: LetsRun.com
    Forum Index
    flotrack had wisconsin women IN
  • reed
    registered
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:38pm CST
    re: the right answer
    Forum Index
    washington beats oregon at west regionals
  • LetsRun.com
    your benevolent dictator
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:43pm CST
    re: the right answer
    Forum Index
    the right answer wrote:

    flotrack had wisconsin women IN

    You can see the logic the system we are using uses. It has Gonzaga getting in over Michigan State on common opponents at spot 24. Now the deal is this year Gonzaga and Michigan State both tied in meets this year. We're running it both ways with the ties to see if that changes something.
  • SF
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:52pm CST
    re: LetsRun.com
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    SF has a point over Texas at Pre-Nats
    FInished 17th
    http://results.flotrack.org/2015/10-17-PreNats/Web/Results.php?EN=2&SN=F&ST=Official&D=1

    23: san francisco is selected, gives no points (pushed in)
    24: gonzaga is selected, has losses to (washington_invite) air force;
  • Jonathan Gault
    LRC guru
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:55pm CST
    re: 800/marathon master
    Forum Index
    Our women's projected field is different than Flotrack's. We're still trying to finalize our field, but the difference seems to stem from the #23 spot. Flotrack has Michigan State getting in at that spot; we have San Francisco (pushed by Gonzaga).

    The reason we have Gonzaga getting in over Michigan State is because Gonzaga wins a series of tiebreakers over a bunch of teams with points. The entire scenario is pasted below.

    Where I think we differ from Flotrack may have to do with how we interpreted two tied scores -- Michigan State tied with Princeton at Wisconsin (the official results list Princeton ahead, as do ours, but Flotrack results here have Michigan State ahead http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/252426-Wisconsin-adidas-XC-Invitational-2015/article/36114-RESULTS-Wisconsin-adidas-Cross-Country-Invitational#.VkZYAVWrTnA).

    Then there was a tie at the West Coast Conference meet between Gonzaga and BYU. The results list Gonzaga as the winner, which means they have a win over BYU. This allows them to win the common opponent tiebreaker over Princeton (after Princeton won the head-to-head vs Michigan State) since BYU beat Princeton at Wisconsin.

    If you put MSU ahead of Princeton at Wisconsin and throw out Gonzaga's win over BYU at WCCs, then we project the same field as Flotrack.

    Bottom line: it's a mess at 23 as a bunch of teams have one point and our program broke the tie differently than Flotrack's.

    Teams under consideration: weber state (1), brown (1), san francisco (1), gonzaga (1), william and mary (1), michigan state (1), princeton (1), villanova (1), minnesota (1), northern arizona (0), boston college (0), smu (0), baylor (0), north carolina (0), wisconsin (0), tulsa (0), alabama (0), florida state (0),
    Others with points: oklahoma (2), kansas (2), air force (1), stephen f austin (1), coastal carolina (1), cornell (1), wyoming (1), rice (1), purdue (1), missouri (1), cal poly (1), yale (1), virginia tech (1), bradley (1), columbia (1), wichita state (1), colorado state (1), eastern michigan (1), eastern washington (1), california (1), eastern kentucky (1), florida (1), utah state (1), duke (1), connecticut (1), bowling green (1), new hampshire (1), clemson (1), james madison (1), west virginia (1),
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: prenats, roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and gonzaga (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for weber state and princeton (relevant meets: )
    weber state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: prenats)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over weber state (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    san francisco wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and gonzaga (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and michigan state (relevant meets: )
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: heps)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over brown (relevant meets: prenats)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for brown and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    gonzaga wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: wcccs)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for san francisco and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for san francisco and princeton (relevant meets: )
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: prenats)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over san francisco (relevant meets: roy_griak)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and william and mary (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and michigan state (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and princeton (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and villanova (relevant meets: )
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for gonzaga and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite, princeton_interregional)
    villanova wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    minnesota wins head-to-head tiebreaker over william and mary (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over michigan state (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for michigan state and villanova (relevant meets: )
    michigan state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: big10s, wisonsin_invite, roy_griak)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over villanova (relevant meets: princeton_interregional)
    princeton wins head-to-head tiebreaker over minnesota (relevant meets: wisonsin_invite)
    no head-to-head tiebreaker for villanova and minnesota (relevant meets: )
    gonzaga wins common opponents over princeton (common opponents: duke, duquesne, northern arizona, washington, ucla, wake forest, iona, arizona state, washington state, wisconsin, portland, iowa state, villanova, saint johns, baylor, cornell, smu, byu, air force, minnesota, north carolina, providence, arkansas, toledo, ohio state, indiana, san francisco, boise state, brown, lamar, michigan state, columbia, penn, tulsa, monmouth, loyola marymount, yale, virginia, oregon, vanderbilt, harvard, new mexico, dartmouth, notre dame, syracuse, william and mary, boston college, stanford, florida state, oregon state, eastern washington, virginia tech, west virginia, penn state, nc state)
    23: san francisco is selected, gives no points (pushed in)
    24: gonzaga is selected, has losses to (washington_invite) air force;
  • Stick with FLO
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 3:56pm CST
    re: Jonathan Gault
    Forum Index
    You still have SF having 0 points when they do
  • go the distance
    4 years ago 11/13/2015 4:02pm CST
    re: Dannnggg
    Forum Index
    what's up with Colorado? not as dominant as I would have thought