Serial Cheater at Marine Corps Marathon?

Old schooler. wrote:

How did he go from a chubby white guy in that 2004 photo to a lean black dude in the 2015 pics?

Michael Jackson, amazingly enough, did the opposite. Went from being a really black guy to a white guy over about 11 years.

I'm saying it's possible...

He appears to be African-American. Don't attack him like Kip/Mike Rossi or it will become a racial issue.

Interesting in 2008 and 2009 he hit the 25k (about 15.5 mi) mat before skipping the 30k mat. According to the current course map that would have required him to then backtrack to hit the bridge towards Virginia.

I wonder did the course change making that 25k mat less convenient? or did he decide that the 25k mat was no longer worth his time after he got away with skipping the 30k mat for two years.

Justin,

Quick google search revealed the (I think) 1999 map.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/images/1999/marathon/marine99.gif

I ran MCM in 08 and Haines Point used to be from like 17 to Mile 20 (similar to this map above). Looking at it, this map from is very similar to that year from Mile 8 on.

You could easily hit 25k mark (15.5 miles) and then walk over to the 22 mile point basically bypassing the entire Haines Point section and the 30k marker.

Justin Time wrote:

Interesting in 2008 and 2009 he hit the 25k (about 15.5 mi) mat before skipping the 30k mat. According to the current course map that would have required him to then backtrack to hit the bridge towards Virginia.

I wonder did the course change making that 25k mat less convenient? or did he decide that the 25k mat was no longer worth his time after he got away with skipping the 30k mat for two years.

He missed mats in 2005 and 2007 as well.

From 2005 to 2015 he only lost 4 seconds on his marathon time, age 51 - 61.

Dorian Gray

I doubt this is cheating, he ran a 3:17.

Most marathon cheaters run a 3:11.

History tells us this time and time again.

Looks like a serious runner over a long time.

I doubt there is anything wrong here but the sleuths can take it from here.

So in 2007 Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran a 3:22:46 Marine

So in 2008, a Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran 3:53:50 at Boston.

In 2008 runs 3:46:27 at Marine.

Looks like Boston times are:

2003 7084 Price, Gregory J. 47 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

6049 / 17030 5000 / 10728 1985 / 3956 3:44:51 3:40:32

2006 7029 Price, Gregory J. 51 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

11105 / 19682 7892 / 12061 1367 / 2523 3:50:19

2008 9193 Price, Gregory J. 53 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

12978 / 21948 8843 / 13019 1658 / 2796 3:53:50 3:53:50

2011 13512 Price, Gregory J. 56 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

18466 / 23879 11245 / 13806 845 / 1132 4:13:00

This the guy he cheated out of second:

http://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=9X9180&LastName=Lundy

And this is the gal he cheated out of third:

http://www.marathonfoto.com/Catalog/List/232517842?PIN=9X8K98&LastName=PUHAN

Looks like Frederic is a young Frederica. Shoulda been this fella:

http://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=9X8D96&LastName=Wild

Math is wrong wrote:

I doubt this is cheating, he ran a 3:17.

Most marathon cheaters run a 3:11.

History tells us this time and time again.

3:11 does seem to be an indicator

I see good people wrote:

Looks like a serious runner over a long time.

I doubt there is anything wrong here but the sleuths can take it from here.

So in 2007 Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran a 3:22:46 Marine

So in 2008, a Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran 3:53:50 at Boston.

In 2008 runs 3:46:27 at Marine.

Looks like Boston times are:

2003 7084 Price, Gregory J. 47 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

6049 / 17030 5000 / 10728 1985 / 3956 3:44:51 3:40:32

2006 7029 Price, Gregory J. 51 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

11105 / 19682 7892 / 12061 1367 / 2523 3:50:19

2008 9193 Price, Gregory J. 53 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

12978 / 21948 8843 / 13019 1658 / 2796 3:53:50 3:53:50

2011 13512 Price, Gregory J. 56 M Washington DC USA

Overall Gender Division Official Time Net Time

18466 / 23879 11245 / 13806 845 / 1132 4:13:00

So he cheats at MCM to get to Boston.

I note that Price managed only 8:06 pace at the Army Ten Miler 2 weeks prior to MCM (and 8:10 pace at ATM in 2014).

I see good people wrote:

Looks like a serious runner over a long time.

I doubt there is anything wrong here but the sleuths can take it from here.

So in 2007 Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran a 3:22:46 Marine

So in 2008, a Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran 3:53:50 at Boston.

In 2008 runs 3:46:27 at Marine.

At 58 years of age, he ran the 2008 MCM. Here are the facts:

He missed the 30k timing mat (I believe this was at Haines Point).

He covered the 10k from the 25k mat to the 35k mat in a damn impressive

39:30. This is 6:21 average/mile pace for that section.

Before the 25k Mat, he was averaging 8:47/mile

At 54 years of age, he ran the 2008 MCM. Here are the facts:

He missed the 30k timing mat (I believe this was at Haines Point).

He covered the 10k from the 25k mat to the 35k mat in a damn impressive

39:30. This is 6:21 average/mile pace for that section.

Before the 25k Mat, he was averaging 8:47/mile

Fixed my own post, sorry

like I said: 1. it is a long term runner (not a one-off time Rossi) and 2. let the sleuths do their work

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

I see good people wrote:

Looks like a serious runner over a long time.

I doubt there is anything wrong here but the sleuths can take it from here.

So in 2007 Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran a 3:22:46 Marine

So in 2008, a Gregory Price of Wash DC age 53 ran 3:53:50 at Boston.

In 2008 runs 3:46:27 at Marine.

At 58 years of age, he ran the 2008 MCM. Here are the facts:

He missed the 30k timing mat (I believe this was at Haines Point).

He covered the 10k from the 25k mat to the 35k mat in a damn impressive

39:30. This is 6:21 average/mile pace for that section.

Before the 25k Mat, he was averaging 8:47/mile

Everyone knows Haines Point is flat and fast ;)

I see good people wrote:

like I said: 1. it is a long term runner (not a one-off time Rossi) and 2. let the sleuths do their work

So you've said nothing worthwhile or what we don't already know. Thanks.

So... wrote:

I see good people wrote:

like I said: 1. it is a long term runner (not a one-off time Rossi) and 2. let the sleuths do their work

So you've said nothing worthwhile or what we don't already know. Thanks.

Sorry I posted Boston times. You are welcome.

The nice thing is that when someone accuses someone of cheating on Letsrun, the civility and thoughtful discussion and sense of fairness overwhelm any rash rush to judgment and hostility.

he definitely has a gregory PRICE to pay.f&ckign cheating a@@hole

The Price you have to pay. wrote:

Photos of Mr Price 18605 at MCM:

http://www.marathonfoto.com/Catalog/List/232768427?PIN=9X9480&LastName=PRICE

Looks like he now has to pay the price for serial cheating.

Really no sleuthing is required here. This is an open and shut case. All the splits are right there. He missed the 30k mat year after year after year and per the course map anyone can see that it would be easy to hop off course and cheat in that location.

If I wanted to plan how to cheat, that's exactly how I would do it. To me it looks like this guy planned out how fast or slow he had to walk/jog between mats that he hit, but he didn't always do such a good job.

In 2009, he ran a 28:48 10k betweek 25k and 35k.

Open and shut.