bluegill wrote:
Clerk wrote:Also, Russian athletes get beat, regularly. The Russians getting beat are also not bound to micro dosing, are able to dope through the competition (instead of just OOC). And they're still getting beat...
...so if they dope and get beat does that mean that others don't dope and are better or that the others are just better dopers? ...as the Velonews article puts it "...you do the math."
In cycling the times are getting slower as doping controls tighten. Don't really see that trend in track and field. Hmmm....
Absolutely we do. Have you noticed how slow nearly every distance race compared to the 70s and 80s (when EPO was not available)? The 10k WR has moved 1:00 since the late 80s, but the Championship times are usually about the same as they were 30-40 years ago.
Now we just have incredible finishes in Beijing like Kemboi in the Steeple (like he was shot out of a cannon). Kiprop in the 1500m (running around the field like they were in HS). Dibaba's 1:57.2 last 800m.
Farah ran 27:01 this time (which is historically very fast - and beaten only by two marks from Bekele) but only because there were 4 others with him at the last 400m. He closed in 54.14. In '72-'76-'80 the Olympic 10k was a WR or very close to it each year.
In the 5000m he ran perhaps the slowest time in any modern final (13:50), and again in London (13:41). This would be the equivalent of the Olympic 5k going in 14:15-25 in the 70s.
Times on the cicuit are slower and the meets are fewer, because the athletes all hide out and dope instead of competing. Many distance athletes race 5 times in an entire year. In the 60s-70s-80s they raced 40-50 times a year on all surfaces. I realize that the athletes in that era doped just as much and it helped them to compete often, but don't be naive enough to think that doping has lessened.