Former Columbia runner and American citizen Lisa Nemec (runs for Croatia) positive on doping control

I went to state 4 times in high school, trained hard in college but never ran any faster.

Took 5 years off with no running at all in my 20's.

Took up running again in my 30's and totally SMASHED all my times.

All the drug hoople is total BS. I never used any drugs and think they don't make any difference at all. All this same crapola has been going on for ions. First it was magic potions, then herbs, snake oil, and the modern version of these are vaccinations, mercury fillings, xradiation, EPO and whatever.

In fact the stuff used ions ago was much better, but still totally unnecessary to running best times. Being healthy is the very best method and nothing else can compare. THIS is the reason that I smashed all my times.

Really? You find it hard to believe that she closes out the last ten minutes of the run at a pace just 2 seconds per mile faster than she can run for 13 miles (5:17)?

Perhaps she's just running the last 90 seconds of the run at 5:05 pace.

Do you mean to say that this is too hard?

Ghost wrote:

No, you are right - she does not compete at the mile, and with good reason. Nemec's basic speed is, shall we say, very 'challenged' - she basically has very little native foot speed...even at her best, when she did loads of intervals with other team members, she would not have beaten 4.40 for the mile. You can talk to any other former Columbia team members who know Lisa well.

Ghost in China

HEY,

Ghost shows up on a thread to defend a doper. What a Surprise!!

Freudian Slippers wrote:

So does anyone now believe that the Bosnian 800 guy with the Italian coach going from 1:48 to 1:42 in one season is clean? I'm sure that the moon is made of green cheese if that is the case.

He went from 1:46.12 to 1:42.51!

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Ghost wrote:

No, you are right - she does not compete at the mile, and with good reason. Nemec's basic speed is, shall we say, very 'challenged' - she basically has very little native foot speed...even at her best, when she did loads of intervals with other team members, she would not have beaten 4.40 for the mile. You can talk to any other former Columbia team members who know Lisa well.

Ghost in China

HEY,

Ghost shows up on a thread to defend a doper. What a Surprise!!

His posts read as accusative, not defensive.

Never used drugs wrote:

All the drug hoople is total BS. I never used any drugs and think they don't make any difference at all. All this same crapola has been going on for ions. First it was magic potions, then herbs, snake oil, and the modern version of these are vaccinations, mercury fillings, xradiation, EPO and whatever.

You are obviously totally sane.

Mark Mendoza wrote:

Never used drugs wrote:

All the drug hoople is total BS. I never used any drugs and think they don't make any difference at all. All this same crapola has been going on for ions. First it was magic potions, then herbs, snake oil, and the modern version of these are vaccinations, mercury fillings, xradiation, EPO and whatever.

You are obviously totally sane.

And set elite international times when he "got back into running."

rojo wrote:

letsrisible wrote:

Your claims are so wrong that I don't know where to start.

Please start... Now.

The argument of "I have lots of great things to say but won't say them" is a bad one. Please start. I'm not familiar with what Rodgers was doing but clearly proper training theory was just starting to be known during the first running boom in the 1970s and didn't really get adopted by the masses worldwide until the 2000s. Idiots in the 1990s tried to figure out a "less is more" approach and get away from what worked so well for the likes of Lydiar's boys in the 60s and Shorter in the 70s.

I also imagine the Vietnam War and 60s was quite a distraction for Bill as well but again don't know why he wasn't better in college.

Rodgers wasn't better in college because he didn't take running too seriously. You can read about it in his second memoir "Marathon Man". Bob Hodge has years of Rodgers' training logs on his web site; you should read through them.

Bob Schul would be surprised by your claim that Lydiard was able to dominate the Olympics. The first three runners in the Tokyo 5000m were coached by Igloi, Van Aaken, and Bowerman, respectively.

I'm a huge Lydiard fan, but his approach was not the only one. Van Aaken, in particular, remains underappreciated.

Obviously there were coaches in the 60s-70s that understood how to train, starting with Jumbo Elliott and Bill Bowerman. I defy you to offer up a middle distance coach today equal to either of them.

And there was good information available to the masses, starting with Bill Bowerman's book "Jogging" and Joe Henderson's much-maligned book "Long Slow Distance".

It's fair to say that there is a better, more organized understanding of training theory and of exercise physiology today. But, while Bill Squires probably didn't know about "isocapnic buffering" and such, he certainly knew how to prescribe mile repeats at that pace with the right recovery and turn out marathoners as good as or better than the US can produce today.

Mark Mendoza wrote:

Never used drugs wrote:

All the drug hoople is total BS. I never used any drugs and think they don't make any difference at all. All this same crapola has been going on for ions. First it was magic potions, then herbs, snake oil, and the modern version of these are vaccinations, mercury fillings, xradiation, EPO and whatever.

You are obviously totally sane.

Thanks. Not many of us left, at least not on LR. :)

Dangling Participle wrote:

Her college 10000 PB is pace for a 2:25. Just in case anyone was wondering how drugs work.

VEry reminiscent .

Drugs can't make a racehorse out of a donkey.

Never used drugs wrote:

Mark Mendoza wrote:

You are obviously totally sane.

Thanks. Not many of us left, at least not on LR. :)

i think there are scientifc and empircal data would suggest otherwise

Any update on what the test showed positive for?

updates? wrote:

Any update on what the test showed positive for?

Being from Croatia.

learn something wrote:

Dangling Participle wrote:

Her college 10000 PB is pace for a 2:25. Just in case anyone was wondering how drugs work.

VEry reminiscent .

Drugs can't make a racehorse out of a donkey.

Are you sure about that? Here's my favorite from cycling. Bjarne Riis. Mr. never was suddenly a grand tour winner just toying with climbers.

Some good times here

Bump. Anyone know the status of this?

Too bad there was an iaaf regime change before Nemec could pay Diack a bribe to cover this up.

That Riis clip is ridiculous! The commentators are flabbergasted by the guy "not previously known for his climbing ability". It reminded me of Farah humorously getting a water cup from lane 8 during the Beijing 10000, then crushing everyone on the final lap.Comedy in the key of E-P-O!

pop_pop_2.1.1 wrote:

learn something wrote:

Drugs can't make a racehorse out of a donkey.

Are you sure about that? Here's my favorite from cycling. Bjarne Riis. Mr. never was suddenly a grand tour winner just toying with climbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBrmC6pUNE

Some good times here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N43DcMBL4w8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecs2IW3tiTM

Bump. Anyone have an update?

B sample also positive. Done story.

Source?