Gruesome: Elite shatters femur after colliding with non-elite in Toronto

real TO wrote:

Um, yeah wrote:

Are you sure you aren't just making up this issue of slowing half marathoners?

(And just prior to the fall, check out how much disruption of the rest of the lead women's pack was caused by the two runners suddenly cutting in to get to the water station - they are darn lucky they didn't trip up several of them!)

For the Nth time, obviously the runners cutting in were in the wrong. Can you not read?

I am simply arguing that there are a number of good reasons a pacer might take his charges down the open part of the road (reasons including avoiding a string of 100 amateur male half marathoners). I am sorry that this obvious truth offends you so grievously.

See the thing is your number of 100 guys is wildly exaggerated. Why are you making up this stuff?

over 40 wrote:

Didn't see any basketball shorts and don't think I passed or even gained on a single person who tore off the start line and slammed on the brakes.

Probably because you were also slowing down! A slowing runner makes no gains on an equally slowing runner.

over 40 wrote:

See the thing is your number of 100 guys is wildly exaggerated.

Check the results. 126 people ran the half between 1:15 and 1:25, placing from 21st place to 146th. (That ranges from 5:45 mile pace to 6:30 pace.)

Probably 80% of those people, or exactly 100 people were on faster than 5:45 pace or faster for the first 1-3 miles, getting in the way of anyone trying to run around a 2:30 marathon. It's called course-clogging and it is real.

real TO wrote:

over 40 wrote:

Didn't see any basketball shorts and don't think I passed or even gained on a single person who tore off the start line and slammed on the brakes.

Probably because you were also slowing down! A slowing runner makes no gains on an equally slowing runner.

Nope. Perfectly even through 13km and a bunch of negative splitters accelerated past me.

real TO wrote:

over 40 wrote:

See the thing is your number of 100 guys is wildly exaggerated.

Check the results. 126 people ran the half between 1:15 and 1:25, placing from 21st place to 146th. (That ranges from 5:45 mile pace to 6:30 pace.)

Probably 80% of those people, or exactly 100 people were on faster than 5:45 pace or faster for the first 1-3 miles, getting in the way of anyone trying to run around a 2:30 marathon. It's called course-clogging and it is real.

Nope. You're just wildly scrambling now. Lots of negative splits in there too.

You really didn't run the race, did you? Were you even a spectator?

Or did you once visit TO and consider yourself an expert on all events?

real TO wrote:

Egun wrote:

said to my wife 'what the hell are they thinking, marathons will do anything to run routes through ethnic neighborhoods to be like New York, that is ridiculously dangerous'.

Your take on this is idiotic. Literally hundreds of thousands of runners have gone over the tracks in the history of Toronto marathons. The fact that one person had an injury doesn't make your self-congratulatory point.

It is not exactly hard to run in a straight line parallel to the tracks. And guess what? 15,000 people proved it.

Also, Bathurst between Bloor and Fork York is an "ethnic neighbourhood"? When were you last in the city?

Stupid people are exhausting.

This.

and anyone that is blaming streetcar tracks has obviously not seen the tracks in question. They do not have wide enough gaps to catch one's foot.

tttttttttt wrote:

real TO wrote:

Your take on this is idiotic. Literally hundreds of thousands of runners have gone over the tracks in the history of Toronto marathons. The fact that one person had an injury doesn't make your self-congratulatory point.

It is not exactly hard to run in a straight line parallel to the tracks. And guess what? 15,000 people proved it.

Also, Bathurst between Bloor and Fork York is an "ethnic neighbourhood"? When were you last in the city?

Stupid people are exhausting.

This.

and anyone that is blaming streetcar tracks has obviously not seen the tracks in question. They do not have wide enough gaps to catch one's foot.

Well there's a pic of her with her foot in the track groove. Maybe you didn't realize that people have different widths of feet?

Can you link me the pic? The one's I have seen show her foot on the gap, not in it. My personal experience with the tracks is that one's shoe can't fit in them. Perhaps in a curve, or at a switch, but not down a straightaway.

I don't know that people were suggesting that her whole foot went down a hole, merely that the gap is sufficient to roll off the edge of. It doesn't take much for some people.

I knew a guy that could roll his ankle on the edge of a carpet if he wasn't careful.

over 40 wrote:

real TO wrote:

Probably because you were also slowing down! A slowing runner makes no gains on an equally slowing runner.

Nope. Perfectly even through 13km and a bunch of negative splitters accelerated past me.

Thou protesteth too much.

You were slowing down, basketball shorts.

By the looks of it, the front, or toe box, of her shoe got stuck in the track, not her entire foot. While the shoe itself may not be wide enough when placed flat on the gap, if angled downwards, I'm sure one could insert the tip of their foot into the gap.

real TrOll (hint hint) wrote:

over 40 wrote:

Nope. Perfectly even through 13km and a bunch of negative splitters accelerated past me.

Thou protesteth too much.

You were slowing down, basketball shorts.

Thou don't even runneth.

over 40 wrote:

real TrOll (hint hint) wrote:

Thou protesteth too much.

You were slowing down, basketball shorts.

Thou don't even runneth.

No never.

Variable width wrote:

I don't know that people were suggesting that her whole foot went down a hole, merely that the gap is sufficient to roll off the edge of. It doesn't take much for some people.

I knew a guy that could roll his ankle on the edge of a carpet if he wasn't careful.

fair enough. I was driving in that area just this morning, and to be honest, the streetcar tracks are the least of runners' worries down there. There are lots of potholes and surface irregularities, so not sure the fact that it was along a streetcar route is any worse than running on a crappy road.

All that said, streetcars really suck for about a million reasons.

The real question is how weak and small do your bones have to be to snap your femur in something other than a car accident?

Alan

real TO wrote:

Check the results. 126 people ran the half between 1:15 and 1:25, placing from 21st place to 146th. (That ranges from 5:45 mile pace to 6:30 pace.)

Probably 80% of those people, or exactly 100 people were on faster than 5:45 pace or faster for the first 1-3 miles, getting in the way of anyone trying to run around a 2:30 marathon. It's called course-clogging and it is real.

So identify those people on the video! It should be so simple to point out a half dozen of these more than 100 individuals somewhere during those many minutes of coverage of the lead women running down Bathurst.

Rather than just talking about it, you've got a great opportunity to prove your case my pointing to actual runners, not just imaginary ones pumping the brakes in your mind.

Course-cloggers at it again:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/12/kara-goucher-wins-rock-n-roll-san-antonio-half-marathon-shalane-flanagan-amy-cragg-real-winner-will-determined-olympic-trials/

"Running in front the entire race was Goucher. She was accompanied by male runners for the first portion of the race, however they were dropped during the hilly portion of the course where the race rises over 130 feet just before mile 6. She was then left to run all alone, attempting to catch male runners fading in front of her."

These things we call races are known for entire fields pacing themselves perfectly in single file.

Did Goucher break any limbs due to passing those guys?

And here all this time I thought breaking a leg was good luck...