Gruesome: Elite shatters femur after colliding with non-elite in Toronto

The doper who shattered her femur was at fault. It is unfortunate what happened but she ran right into a 2:33 guy maintaining a straight line and he didn't push her out of the way. Her pacers were also at fault for not knowing where the water stop was and for accosting him without cause, though the organizers are to blame for running the course along tracks in the road and not placing the elite stop on the side the elites were running.

The Cable Car guy wrote:

I ran the race. The tracks definitely are a potential hazard even if it's more likely to just be a rolled ankle. One of the guys I was running with bobbled a bit when he took a step right on the edge of the track.

People are using cable car to denote the fact that cables are in fact hooked to the cars I would think.

Why was your running companion trying to run on the tracks instead between them or in the two lanes with no tracks?

There are no cables hooked to the Toronto streetcars, so I don't know what you are referring to with that last line (the street cars have a trolley pole to maintain contact with a power line strung over the road).

"Having run this race many times, including on the new course configuration, what inevitably happens is that a lot of "sub-elite" runners do clog up the road." - real TO

On behalf of myself and all the other sub-elite runners of Toronto, we are so very sorry for clogging up the road during road races such as these. In future, we will do our best to jog more and stick to the trails.

real TO wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

In a race the size of Toronto, they really should put the elite fluids in the middle of the road. Once the elites pass, volunteers move the tables out of the way. Otherwise, have the regular water station on one side of the road and the elites on the other to make sure there are no collisions. Elite runners should not have to filter through locals to get fluids. Very poor management.

This is an idiotic post.

Like any big race, "sub-elite" males running 2:25 and up are going to be right alongside elite females. How the hell would your stupid suggestion have helped in this case, when locals were running at the same time and even in the same pack as elite women?

They don't use your stupid scheme in any large marathon. I wonder why.

You must be new here. Everything Precious Roy posts here is polluted by his PC-polluted mindset coupled with him just being an idiot. Please ignore him in the future. He really posts only utter garbage here.

Um, yeah wrote:

The Cable Car guy wrote:

I ran the race. The tracks definitely are a potential hazard even if it's more likely to just be a rolled ankle. One of the guys I was running with bobbled a bit when he took a step right on the edge of the track.

People are using cable car to denote the fact that cables are in fact hooked to the cars I would think.

Why was your running companion trying to run on the tracks instead between them or in the two lanes with no tracks?

There are no cables hooked to the Toronto streetcars, so I don't know what you are referring to with that last line (the street cars have a trolley pole to maintain contact with a power line strung over the road).

Because it was crowded and someone forced him a bit out of line?

The cars are connected to cables somehow. Let it go.

The 'jogger' with the 2:33 PB was running on pace for a 2:25 (~3:25/km) so he was seemingly right where he needed to be. Was he going to be able to maintain that pace for the whole race? Who knows but I can't imagine someone at that level would go out at that pace and not be able to handle it until at least halfway or 30 km. It isn't really a factor at this point in the race (first 5 km) anyway.

I don't think there was passing involved. They were running the same or similar paces on different parts of the road.

The Cable Car guy wrote:

I ran the race. The tracks definitely are a potential hazard even if it's more likely to just be a rolled ankle. One of the guys I was running with bobbled a bit when he took a step right on the edge of the track.

People are using cable car to denote the fact that cables are in fact hooked to the cars I would think.

I was there as well, running the Waterfront Half on the same course simultaneously. I took care on Bathhurst Street because of the presence of the street car rails in the center of the street. I saw the female elite lying down on the concrete as I passed and wondered what had happened to her.

one more point wrote:

Not MY Fault wrote:

This was a terrible injury.

However it was not a "horrific collision".

She moved in front of another runner (who was going the same pace, and never left his line).

She got her heel clipped, and stumbled.

She hit a cable car track when she stumbled.

Then apparently her goon went after the other runner and ruined his race.

F*ck this b*tch. I could care less if she is an elite runner. It was completely her fault so she can look in the mirror if shes mad about breaking a leg, her pacer should of left that guy alone. And maybe eat properly so your bones arent so weak.

Where in the story, or anywhere, does it say that Flomena "shattered" her femur? Was she also shot in the leg? I thought she just broke it?

Of course, I also watched the video and didn't see anything "horrific" or "gruesome" in her little fall, so I'm guessing the horror occurred later when she was also shot in the leg resulting in her femur being shattered?

Good reporting - please let us know when they find the shooter who shattered her leg.

Perhaps it is just me, but there seems to be a growing sense of entitlement amongst the elite ranks, specifically Kenyans. Witness the whining about pacers in Chicago, lame excuses from xc "Kings", and now the bs disparagement/harrassment of a sub-elite, but otherwise very good amateur runner. Frankly I'm disgusted, biting the hand that feeds you rarely turns out well. Hey Kenyans, man (or woman) up - you want to make bank in money races around the world, then play by the rules and take responsibility for your own actions. Or alternately, go back home and win your own local turkey trot, think of all the money (or turkeys) you could win.

Shout out to RD's: stop being enablers of such behaviors - cut out the appearance fees and other such nonsense that drives it. The masses that fund these races don't give a flying ! if the whining Kenyan du jour is running, we just want to run.

Shout out to the Toronto RD: comp entry to this guy for next year. No entry to this Kenyan (or her goon) next year.

Umm, you've read through 4 pages of a thread on this site and claim you don't care about the elites?

Pics (crappy but gruesome)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/MedialMeniscus/badbreak1_zpsf8ceg4n8.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/MedialMeniscus/badbreak2_zpsbam8ra8a.jpg

Sounds like the Elite is at fault here.

I didn't blame him at all.

What I said was that 1:15-1:20 HM "joggers" clog the fastest line, which is likely why the pacer had the women running down the left of the street and out of traffic. He obviously messed up having them veer over to the right too suddenly for their bottles.

Sub-elite clogger wrote:

"Having run this race many times, including on the new course configuration, what inevitably happens is that a lot of "sub-elite" runners do clog up the road." - real TO

On behalf of myself and all the other sub-elite runners of Toronto, we are so very sorry for clogging up the road during road races such as these. In future, we will do our best to jog more and stick to the trails.

Read more closely.

Just try not to go out at 2:25 pace then get in the way when you calm down or fade.

runbetter wrote:

one more point wrote:

Then apparently her goon went after the other runner and ruined his race.

F*ck this b*tch. I could care less if she is an elite runner. It was completely her fault so she can look in the mirror if shes mad about breaking a leg, her pacer should of left that guy alone. And maybe eat properly so your bones arent so weak.

For the second time, what did the 120-pound pacer do to make this guy quit?

real TO wrote:

Um, yeah wrote:

In the screen grab included with

http://runningmagazine.ca/kenyan-runner-takes-horrific-controversial-fall-in-toronto-breaks-femur/

can you identify who this sub-elite male is who was slowing down in front of the Kenyan?

Certainly doesn't look to be anyone blocking her path ahead of her.

Or was she instead choosing to cut across in front of someone running as fast or faster than her without checking if she had left enough room?

I didn't blame him at all.

What I said was that 1:15-1:20 HM "joggers" clog the fastest line, which is likely why the pacer had the women running down the left of the street and out of traffic. He obviously messed up having them veer over to the right too suddenly for their bottles.

If you watch the stream, the bulk of the lead females were already running on the right.

What is the prognosis for something like this? She is not a young gal. I imagine it will take her out of competition for at least a year.

Moo Goo wrote:

What is the prognosis for something like this? She is not a young gal. I imagine it will take her out of competition for at least a year.

I think she'll live.