It's just another thing that East Coast people have built up into their minds over the years as being "the greatest". Hard to find contrast when you've never experienced life more than 200 miles from home. I'm ok with whatever keeps all those bad attitudes and nasal speaking blowhards sequestered in their concrete jungle.
In the article they have a part from Pat Tyson - once and for all can we drop the he was Pre's roommate thing. Tyson was a great HS coach live off of that enough with the attempt to latch onto the Pre thing
Actually people from NYC travel better than people from anywhere else in the nation.
Beyond thhat, name a good runner from the East Coast, they're likely to have run at VCP. It has a lot of history and is a well maintained place of running. If there another place you'd like to appreciate I'm sure we can make room for that as well. But there aren't many with history and name recognition like VCP.
Oh, just stop with your I'm awesome because I'm from New York schtick. I lived in Brooklyn for 4 years. It's nothing more than a trash heap. It's NOT awesome. To speak to the question raised about New Yorkers traveling: an overwhelming majority of people in my neighborhood, hospital I worked at and friends outside of work were native to the area. Traveling to them meant going to New Jersey or at the most New England. I had to laugh at the comment on how they speak through their nose. Annoying! That all said VCP does have a ton of history. Lots of other good xc courses through the nation: univ of ks rimrock farm and okst home course come first to mind. Hated our home course in Boulder and loved going to those two places to race.
Tuyet wrote:
I had to laugh at the comment on how they speak through their nose. Annoying!
Maybe you had to laugh because you wrote it decided it wasn't getting enough praise. Seriously, how many people do that with the email field? If you're going to post under multiple handles on the same thread to make it look like people agree with you, try to d a better job of disguising it.
Tuyet wrote:
To speak to the question raised about New Yorkers traveling: an overwhelming majority of people in my neighborhood, hospital I worked at and friends outside of work were native to the area. Traveling to them meant going to New Jersey or at the most New England.
You have no idea what you are talking about. People will go to places like the hamptons and NE for the weekend, but would never refer to that as "traveling". I've been here for most of my life and I have been just about anywhere you can name. Everyone I know travels as much as they can and often more than they want to when it is for work. I don't think a week goes by where I don't have friends or coworkers traveling.
Colorado Springs Hazard wrote:
It's just another thing that East Coast people have built up into their minds over the years as being "the greatest". Hard to find contrast when you've never experienced life more than 200 miles from home. I'm ok with whatever keeps all those bad attitudes and nasal speaking blowhards sequestered in their concrete jungle.
From Midwest. Ran for Midwestern university. Raced on standard big ten courses in IL, IN, MI, IA, WI, penn including Bloomington and Iowa state NCAA / regional courses. We traveled to race at van cortland one year. Yes, the area is kind of run-down, or at least was 15 years ago.
The course is great though. Flat, fast and fair start. Legit hill sections with plenty of shade. Multiple loops though open park for spectators. Narrow enough in places that it's possible to get trapped for a bit. Varied enough that recovery is possible. Challenging but well connected course that allows for fair times.
Are there other good coursers out there? Sure. I wish there were more like it though-
Oh brother.., wrote:
Tuyet wrote:To speak to the question raised about New Yorkers traveling: an overwhelming majority of people in my neighborhood, hospital I worked at and friends outside of work were native to the area. Traveling to them meant going to New Jersey or at the most New England.
You have no idea what you are talking about. People will go to places like the hamptons and NE for the weekend, but would never refer to that as "traveling". I've been here for most of my life and I have been just about anywhere you can name. Everyone I know travels as much as they can and often more than they want to when it is for work. I don't think a week goes by where I don't have friends or coworkers traveling.
That's because it sucks to live in the city.
VCP, Franklin Park, are the only two huge XC Courses I can think of in the NE
Any other famous ones y'all can name?
cool kid wrote:
VCP, Franklin Park, are the only two huge XC Courses I can think of in the NE
Any other famous ones y'all can name?
Derryfield Park in Manchester, NH
Wickham Park in Connecticut is legendary but doesn't get the respect it deserves.
Colorado Springs Hazard wrote:
It's just another thing that East Coast people have built up into their minds over the years as being "the greatest". Hard to find contrast when you've never experienced life more than 200 miles from home. I'm ok with whatever keeps all those bad attitudes and nasal speaking blowhards sequestered in their concrete jungle.
Maybe you prefer all the other courses around the country that are just a loop laid out on a golf course. VCP is unique and it is awesome. Of course there are other good courses out there, but they are far and few between. Most college courses now a days aren't real cross country at all.
CT rules wrote:
Wickham Park in Connecticut is legendary but doesn't get the respect it deserves.
We definitely have different definitions of legendary. It is a great course though. One of the many problems with calling it "legendary" though, is the fact that there have been about five versions of the course in the last ten years.
Not a repeat poster on this wrote:
Tuyet wrote:I had to laugh at the comment on how they speak through their nose. Annoying!
Maybe you had to laugh because you wrote it decided it wasn't getting enough praise. Seriously, how many people do that with the email field? If you're going to post under multiple handles on the same thread to make it look like people agree with you, try to d a better job of disguising it.
^This is hilarious.
Also, how do people get so worked up about something as benign as a group of people saying they like a park for running cross country?
VCP is great; it's spectator-friendly, has an exciting finish, a nice mix of hills and flat, woods and field, and there's enough space to have 100 teams or however many show up to big meets like Manhattan. I'm from NY - I don't think I've ever MET anyone who "speaks through their nose".
The dumb thing about that article is that it's written by Tracksmith, which is a stupid company trying to make overpriced retro running clothes seem hip
1) The "article" linked in the first post is just an ad for an apparel company.
2) VCP is the closest halfway decent XC course to the largest population hub in the country. Obviously it's going to have a bit of history. Being from CT I ran on it a few times, as courses go I'd give it a solid 7/10.
They are also the 2 oldest Cross Country courses in the the US. They have hosted huge meets (several US Championships, NCAA meets, and the Worlds at Franklin Park). There are a lot of great courses in the US, but these two are special because of the history of the people who have competed there. While the top time lists from VCP has been changed significantly in the last 10 or so years, the top ten back in the day included many of the best US runners of all-time. Running in the Manhattan meet 40 years ago ('75), we all got our butts handed to us by Salazar and he still didn't run faster than Liquori's best. Their history makes them significant, and they still host major events today.
cool kid wrote:
VCP, Franklin Park, are the only two huge XC Courses I can think of in the NE
Any other famous ones y'all can name?
Lehigh
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cool kid wrote:VCP, Franklin Park, are the only two huge XC Courses I can think of in the NE
Any other famous ones y'all can name?
Lehigh
Pennsylvania became part of New England?