Ryan Hall Q&A: "I’ve had clinically low testosterone levels, which affects everything."

Turn it around, Ryan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmF5x6ZeuRw

Jurrasic Park and Broad Street wrote:

Interestingly red meat is not on this list (not that I claim to know anything beyond folklore and rumor). Why isn't it...?

[quote]Bodybylder wrote:

There's a good article on bodybuilding.com about this. Instead of posting a link, I'll do you a favor an summarize the "7 smart ways to boost testosterone":

1. Eat Fat

2. Don't avoid cholesterol

Red meat is high in both fat and cholesterol, unless you go for a very lean cut (which would be a mistake).

So yes, red meat is GOOD for T.

pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:

asdgh wrote:

Testosterone is banned, thyroid medication is not.

Define "banned." Because as the Nike/Salazar doping program scandal showed, taking exogenous Test is easy to do way beyond human norms (normal is around 1:1) and you'll never test positive. The IOC permitted ratio is 4:1.

That means an athlete can go crazy with the Testogel before testing positive. If the federation likes you, you'll never test positive anyway.

It's possible Ryan's problems have nothing to do with PEDs. But, it doesn't seem likely given how rampant doping is in distance events.

Defining "banned" is easy. Take a look at the list from WADA.

so I'm used to lifting 2X per week w/ basically 60lbs for all upper body. Being 130lbs at 5'6" and over 60 yrs, what would be a more effective heavy weight/low rep routine for my 30+ minutes? By the way, I'm not dealing w/ testosterone issues, just want to better supplement my miles.

asdgh wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:

Define "banned." Because as the Nike/Salazar doping program scandal showed, taking exogenous Test is easy to do way beyond human norms (normal is around 1:1) and you'll never test positive. The IOC permitted ratio is 4:1.

That means an athlete can go crazy with the Testogel before testing positive. If the federation likes you, you'll never test positive anyway.

It's possible Ryan's problems have nothing to do with PEDs. But, it doesn't seem likely given how rampant doping is in distance events.

Defining "banned" is easy. Take a look at the list from WADA.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-prohibited-list-en.pdf

You aren't thinking like as winner. No one cares what the list says. Everyone cares what can be detected as positive. An athlete can run exogenous T way beyond normal and never test positive. And that's without federation support. If you are a Bolt or Radcliffe then just be sure you don't kill yourself.

Pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:

asdgh wrote:

Defining "banned" is easy. Take a look at the list from WADA.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-prohibited-list-en.pdf

You aren't thinking like as winner. No one cares what the list says. Everyone cares what can be detected as positive. An athlete can run exogenous T way beyond normal and never test positive. And that's without federation support. If you are a Bolt or Radcliffe then just be sure you don't kill yourself.

Wasn't Gatlin below the 4:1 ratio when he tested positive?

Plus carnitine, B12 and lots of protein, all good for athletes.

Lifting dude wrote:

Jurrasic Park and Broad Street wrote:

Interestingly red meat is not on this list (not that I claim to know anything beyond folklore and rumor). Why isn't it...?

[quote]Bodybylder wrote:

There's a good article on bodybuilding.com about this. Instead of posting a link, I'll do you a favor an summarize the "7 smart ways to boost testosterone":

1. Eat Fat

2. Don't avoid cholesterol

Red meat is high in both fat and cholesterol, unless you go for a very lean cut (which would be a mistake).

So yes, red meat is GOOD for T.

As for Gatlin, he was targeted, for reasons that escape me at the moment. Probably his association with Trevor Graham.

Clandestine wrote:

Plus carnitine, B12 and lots of protein, all good for athletes.

Countless studies have proven that red meat will lead to clogged arteries and red and processed meat are the number one reason for cancer of all sorts. Don't drink the Crossshyte/Paleo kool aid.

happykat wrote:

J Brown wrote:

It's well-known that Ryan has been taking thyroid medicine for some time. I'd be interested to know his take on that now, in retrospect - i.e., does he think it might have fried his endocrine system?

i've been taking thyroid meds for 13 years now. it has done absolutely nothing beyond what it is supposed to, add the amount of T3 that i am supposed to be producing if my thyroid was working like a normal person.

That's interesting, but not particularly helpful. We don't know if you both started out at the same level (because after all, Dr Brown in Houston is known for diagnosing low-thyroid at a level others would call normal). I would guess you have also not been training as hard as an elite marathoner (could be wrong, of course). I don't know if you and Hall are on the same regimen for medicine. But most of all, my point is, IF YOU DID happen to have a precipitous decline in performance, like Hall, would you question whether the thryoid treatment played a role? Obviously, if you didn't have a decline, you have nothing to wonder about. But we can't exactly take the testimony of one unidentified message boarder as enough to say, "well, that rules out the possibility that thyroid medication played a role".

Mr. Okay I'll Bite,

First off, all due respect to Jerome Drayton. Great runner, great accomplishments! That being said, if he truly ran 196 miles a week (28 miles a day) and if his times are accurate (I'm sure they are give or take a minute here and there at best) his average marathon time was in the 2:13 range at best. For the amount of mileage he was training at it seems the ROI (Return On Investment) is way off. Are you saying that if he could run 210, 230, or more miles a week he would be a 2:10 guy or better? I don't think so. My main point is that training smarter will produce better results and by training smarter you're not needlessly beating the snot out of yourself with a bunch of junk mileage. It's the needless junk mileage that depletes the system of much needed nutrients that keeps the body in balance (testosterone, iron, etc......)

Mr. Shay simply burned both ends of the candle and has run out of juice. Don't get me wrong, he was a phenomenal talent for many years but needs to realize that the party can't last forever. Especially in a sport that puts so much stress on the body. He kicked ass for a lot of years and now needs to 'Shut 'R Down'.

He ain't going to make a come back!!

Anyone notice what is in his shopping cart?

https://www.facebook.com/ryanhall3?fref=nf

Silk Almond Milk? Better than Soy, but.....

UnderYourNose wrote:

Anyone notice what is in his shopping cart?

https://www.facebook.com/ryanhall3?fref=nf

Silk Almond Milk? Better than Soy, but.....

Less than 2% of its ingredients are almonds. Google it.

This is just as bad as soy milk.

Bodybylder wrote:

There's a good article on bodybuilding.com about this. Instead of posting a link, I'll do you a favor an summarize the "7 smart ways to boost testosterone":

1. Eat Fat

2. Don't avoid cholesterol

3. Consume test-bossting ingredients (they name zinc, Vitamin D among others)

4. Favor multi joint free-weights movements

5. Longer workouts are not better

6. Get your ZZZs

7. Use training variables associated with greater T (70-85% of 1REP MAX)

I bet Ryan doesn't follow 1, 2 and 3. We KNOW that he doesn't do 4, his long runs are basically the opposite of 5. Same with 7.

The only thing I believe he could be doing is 6 - getting enough sleep.

Misguided bro science at its finest. Cholesterol is a hormonal precursor, but the body produces its own. In dietary form, it's pretty much useless as most of it gets pissed out. Eating healthy fats is obviously positive for testosterone because strong testosterone levels correlates with strong health. So in that sense, all "eat more fat" means in terms of testosterone is having a healthy, balanced diet.

Zinc and Vitamin D are beneficial, though, as is extra sleep.

I've also found that weighted carries make me feel like superman, but that's completely anecdotal on my part.

J Brown wrote:

That's interesting, but not particularly helpful. We don't know if you both started out at the same level (because after all, Dr Brown in Houston is known for diagnosing low-thyroid at a level others would call normal). I would guess you have also not been training as hard as an elite marathoner (could be wrong, of course). I don't know if you and Hall are on the same regimen for medicine. But most of all, my point is, IF YOU DID happen to have a precipitous decline in performance, like Hall, would you question whether the thryoid treatment played a role? Obviously, if you didn't have a decline, you have nothing to wonder about. But we can't exactly take the testimony of one unidentified message boarder as enough to say, "well, that rules out the possibility that thyroid medication played a role".

I just don't get how taking thryoid meds for several years would lead do a decline in performance. What would be the biologic mechanism for this?

runguns wrote:

Bodybylder wrote:

1. Eat Fat

2. Don't avoid cholesterol

3. Consume test-bossting ingredients (they name zinc, Vitamin D among others)

4. Favor multi joint free-weights movements

5. Longer workouts are not better

6. Get your ZZZs

7. Use training variables associated with greater T (70-85% of 1REP MAX)

Misguided bro science at its finest. Cholesterol is a hormonal precursor, but the body produces its own. In dietary form, it's pretty much useless as most of it gets pissed out. Eating healthy fats is obviously positive for testosterone because strong testosterone levels correlates with strong health. So in that sense, all "eat more fat" means in terms of testosterone is having a healthy, balanced diet.

Zinc and Vitamin D are beneficial, though, as is extra sleep.

I've also found that weighted carries make me feel like superman, but that's completely anecdotal on my part.

You got it wrong.

The article/post says don't fear cholesterol, in other words - eat red meat and eggs (the yoke contains healthy saturated fat).

The problem is most runners fear cholesterol and therefore restrict their egg intake.

It's perfectly fine to eat multiple eggs per day.

Yeah but what about the 41st day

he can't get a "rod on" ?

is THIS why he adopted??? because he couldn't get sara preganant with a disastrously low t count?

SOUL PATROL wrote:

Mr. Shay simply burned both ends of the candle and has run out of juice. Don't get me wrong, he was a phenomenal talent for many years but needs to realize that the party can't last forever. Especially in a sport that puts so much stress on the body. He kicked ass for a lot of years and now needs to 'Shut 'R Down'.

He ain't going to make a come back!!

Yeah, Mr. Shay shut her down about 8 years ago. Good for you to notice.