How the heck do insoles come out while running?

it's happened to me before. they come unstuck.

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

George Brett: I think non-removable insoles are more common in racing shoes than regular trainers.

Those saying you never had this happen: have you tried running two hours at 440 pace?

Yes, I tried to run 2 hours at 4:40/mi pace but only made it about a minte and 10 seconds before I had to slow down. Insoles did not move around at all.

4:40s melted the glue

I've had insoles come loose and slide a bit while walking barefoot, but never with socks, maybe the insoles had been removed and repositioned in a way that allowed them to move

I already figured it out last night, he pulled the insoles halfway out on purpose to make the shoes bouncier. It worked, he wasn't even tired at the end. He could have kept going possibly indefinitely at 3 minute pace.

*THIS*

I had that happen several years ago when running on a treadmill, and wearing early versions of the Nike Free... I am a toe runner, and every time I planted my lead foot, and pushed off against the treadmill belt, my toes would push backward against the insole. Eventually, it just scooted it about 1/2 the way out, on both feet.

(My obvious answer, for me, is don't run on a treadmill.) You usually don't have that choice in a marathon, anyway. I later switched in a more substantial pair of insoles from a pair of Brooks... no more problem.

this would happen to this one guy on my team's spikes nearly every workout in college. i always thought it was hilarious. i think he was running in a pair of nike rival mds.

Time to start Gorilla Gluing prior to marathon mornings.

How many seconds the insoles might have cost him?

Begin the guessing game.

My guess is at least 1 second. Per kilometer.

I had this happen with some flats doing a track workout.

I'd typically break in my flats by wearing them on a few easy morning runs with strides at the end. I did this with no issues. I'm a mid/forefoot runner.

Ran a hilly 5k (15:20) in the flats with no issues as well. I was getting to the sharpening part of my road season in mid-October when I went to the track for 10x600, 2x400. Plan was first 3 in 1:50, 3 in 1:48, 3 in 1:45, 1 in 1:43, all with 200m jog in between, then mile jog then 2 400s in 64 each. Not a tough workout, was in probably 24:30 8k shape. I liked to do a track workout every 2 weeks for the last part of the season to sharpen up in a controlled way.

Anyway, the insole of these adidas flats (not glued) started coming out after the first interval. I'd stop, put it back in, then continue with the workout. However, I got lazy and stopped and just kept running with the insole flopping out. Bad idea. I badly strained my calf with a few intervals to go and missed the rest of the season.

So if this ever happens to you, stop what you're doing!

agip wrote:

nikeman wrote:

I highly suspect that this was the first time that he had worn this particular pair of shoes and one has no way of knowing what's going to happen straight out of the box.

if that's true, it's as much his fault as Nike's - who never trains in a shoe they race in? Esp at the profesh level. That's rule #5. Maybe #6.

You are uninformed about the top level of the sport.

It is very common for African pros to be handed their shoes and jersey literally on arrival in the race city. "Wear this."

They are lucky to get in a jog before race morning in the "prototypes" that the companies want to show off on the big stage. Even if the insole is giving you trouble, you can't say "no thanks, I'll wear my lucky Nike Marathoners from 2013."

The only difference is that with Adidas they actually test the product first.

I had it happen to an old pair of Nike Frees back in 2010. After a few runs I had to replace the insoles with an older pair of insoles that didn't do it.

Maybe. But to the lowly non-insider, this doesn't seem to jibe very well with all of the elite E. Africans who wear 5-10 year old Nikes (Streaks of some sort, came in red, orange, and black). Additionally, if you're as prominent as Kipchoge, you'd be dumb to put up with BS like this from a sponsor. Your expertise is suspect......

I had this happen in a pair of Saucony Rides... The insoles were very flimsy and on a rainy day, completely crumpled up in the shoe making for a very uncomfortable run. I actually took insoles from an old pair of brooks ghosts which have a much "meatier" insole to remedy the problem.

nikeman wrote:

They are a custom pair of Nike Zoom Streak 6, which are not available on the market yet. You may as well consider them prototypes as they were specially tailored for Kipchoge and Berlin.

The Streak series normally has glued in insoles, but as these were hand finished they may have been an exception. It's also possible that the glue bond broke down early in the race.

I highly suspect that this was the first time that he had worn this particular pair of shoes and one has no way of knowing what's going to happen straight out of the box.

Cement bond broke? not likely.

It appears that the sockliner's were not cemented down.

We are not sure if there was a extra foam/eva cushioning pad lasted into the footbed. If this is the case, two slick surfaces against each other the sockliner slips around.

The proto's were rushed through the sample room without a knowledgable shoe person looking at them, the promo guy isn't smart enough to take a look and question "we could have a problem here".

Lets hope they are made accountable!

I hate Clifton wrote:

I stupidly bought hoka cliftons. after the first run the insole crumpled up. Anyways I hate the shoe , and not spending another $10 for new insoles , even for dog walking.

My HOKA Cliftons had similiar insole crumple, but Super Glue fixed mine. My other HOKAS, however, are awesome. All six other pairs.

I'm not very smart but it seems to me that if I'm following the logic here, I should be bashing HOKA because one of the my seven pairs has a problem.

Just got a pair of Clifton 2s. Was skeptical till I hit the trails... nice ride, fine insoles and great for reducing impact of a 13 mile trail run on my 58 year old body. Will now mix Hoka with my Brooks. Next year may try another brand... the old adage of stay with a shoe if it works no longer holds for me...

agip wrote:

nikeman wrote:

I highly suspect that this was the first time that he had worn this particular pair of shoes and one has no way of knowing what's going to happen straight out of the box.

if that's true, it's as much his fault as Nike's - who never trains in a shoe they race in? Esp at the profesh level. That's rule #5. Maybe #6.

Yeah right you should try them out in case the fecking insole flies out.

The shoes are a crock, but its not just Nike where standards have slipped. The quality across brands has nose dived

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

Those saying you never had this happen: have you tried running two hours at 440 pace?

I have, and my insoles stayed in. Of course I only actually ran for about three minutes.