Just returned from Phoenix, how can people live there?

take god n guns OUT of usa wrote:

Aridzona wrote:

Phoenix is in the middle of the Sonoran desert- one of the most lush and full of life deserts in the world.

Nope.

Phoenix is on the extreme northern edge of the sonoran desert. Nowhere near the middle. Some eremologists don't consider phx a desert at all.

Every time I've been to phx it's been raining.

I do live here now. It seems to rain every bit as much as amarillo.

Rainy areas tend to be full of the most rednecks. Rednecks are fat and hate phx because it is so diverse and different from the Greenacres dump where they own slaves

Phx= one of the most liberal, highly educated, intelligent, and wonderful cities in the world.

Just like any large metroplex, the suburbs will be filled with old educated white bigots. The inner city is filled with geniuses and minorities who are kept down by white ppl in suburbia.

Most minorities don't just live in inner cities because it's cheaper. They live there because they hate living around holier than thou white bigots in suburbia who have zero culture.

I have a friend who suffered constant allergies and stuffed sinuses in the SF Bay area. Went to Tucson and Phoenix and had none of that. I don't have the same issues, but that would make the place pretty appealing to some. A traveler in Africa once told me if you slow down and look in the desert you will find it's filled with life. Never forgot that and a few times did slow down and see exactly that. Old time New Englanders must have wanted some part of that. No chain saws then and they cut down trees as though they feared them. Much of the area in VT I lived in was grown back from that time, hence great running trails and stone walls in the midst of what's again forest.

Golf in the winter is good. Just visit, but do not move there . The Sun is like getting an X Ray every 5 minutes. Look at some of the 40ish year old women, they look 60, and this one time this lady bumped me in the elevator and here shoulder was like leather. She seemed confused, but I think she was dazed from the blistering sun. Her feet also looked so baked that it could only be described as "amphibian" feet.

I love feen town wrote:

Just like any large metroplex, the suburbs will be filled with old educated white bigots. The inner city is filled with geniuses and minorities who are kept down by white ppl in suburbia.

Most minorities don't just live in inner cities because it's cheaper. They live there because they hate living around holier than thou white bigots in suburbia who have zero culture.

Yes I know just the type of "holier than thou" types who judge groups of people by their places of residence and their color.

The funny thing is that these types have absolutely NO IDEA that they are doing it. Ironic isn't it?

You're an idiot. Go back to the northeast and enjoy your humid, cold, bug ridden, grass mowing, overgrown wasteland. If you come to the desert expecting something other than, well a desert, you're an idiot.

And why do you think there are jobs in Phoenix? Because companies know it's a great place to live and attract workers.

logic wrote:

And why do you think there are jobs in Phoenix? Because companies know it's a great place to live and attract workers.

Tourism, Walmart, and financial industry are among major employers. Interestingly enough industry does well but that doesn't translate to the middle class in Phoenix. The middle class has very poor per capita wage, basically at minimum wage. Many illegals are employed many under minimum wage. There is little oversight so yes many companies are attracted to the area.

It is desert so no its not a great place to live.

I was there for three years. When it's not summer (and summer lasts 5 months,) it's a great place for outdoors activities. Summer is truly awful, though. It isn't so much the intensity, as it is the duration. It just never seems to end.

fvcking google how many people live there idiot

seriously its a barren area wrote:

luv2run wrote:

Different people like different things.

True, some people might like barren desolate regions devoid of life.

And other people like trash-filled, putrifying ciites, hot, humid brutal weather and air filled with mosquitos and pollution (Northeast). You can have it.

I love feen town wrote:

Rainy areas tend to be full of the most rednecks. Rednecks are fat and hate phx because it is so diverse and different from the Greenacres dump where they own slaves

Phx= one of the most liberal, highly educated, intelligent, and wonderful cities in the world.

Just like any large metroplex, the suburbs will be filled with old educated white bigots. The inner city is filled with geniuses and minorities who are kept down by white ppl in suburbia.

Most minorities don't just live in inner cities because it's cheaper. They live there because they hate living around holier than thou white bigots in suburbia who have zero culture.

sorry meant to say "OLD UNEDUCATED WHITE BIGOTS"

My only experience there was flying in for a conference. We stayed downtown -- the most dead downtown I've seen in years. Nowhere to eat, nothing to do. Surrounded by interstates. Not a great place.

The airport sucks too, just terrible.

It improved intellectually after you left.

hank IV wrote:

Scottsdale is awful...it looks nice but is full of wannabes with zero education or culture

I can certainly see how people think its barren and forbidding but, believe it or not, I think there is more to do in the summer than in the winter..

All the snow birding Q-tips have gone home (Really that's what I am) are gone...

Access to everything is easier.

I came from the midwest..trees, grass etc..

I miss that sometimes.

But, something keeps you here. I like it.

I don't like the sports here.

I can't get over and have never gotten use to bandwagon fans.

People who live here and scream and yell against the local sports teams.

It's normal because it's evident in all the sports.

But everybody being from somewhere else, the sense of community isn't so great...

Sorry for the double post.

I'll stay. And can't wait until next summer.

workingharder wrote:

overgrown wasteland. you're an idiot.

lol

i love feen town wrote:

I love feen town wrote:

Rainy areas tend to be full of the most rednecks. Rednecks are fat and hate phx because it is so diverse and different from the Greenacres dump where they own slaves

Phx= one of the most liberal, highly educated, intelligent, and wonderful cities in the world.

Just like any large metroplex, the suburbs will be filled with old educated white bigots. The inner city is filled with geniuses and minorities who are kept down by white ppl in suburbia.

Most minorities don't just live in inner cities because it's cheaper. They live there because they hate living around holier than thou white bigots in suburbia who have zero culture.

sorry meant to say "OLD UNEDUCATED WHITE BIGOTS"

Yes I know just the type of "holier than thou" types who judge groups of people by their places of residence and their color.

The funny thing is that these types have absolutely NO IDEA that they are doing it. Ironic isn't it?

Why single out the older folks for your stereotype. Could there young white bigots?

Currently in PHX and its currently raining.

Outside of costal California or the Pacific NW, I can't understand why you wouldn't want to live here especially if your from the Midwest, NE or South.

1. "Its too hot" - Its hot everywhere in the summer, I'll take 105 and 10% humidity over 90 and 60% humidity all day - Id would rather deal with a PHX summer as opposed to a northern winter.

2. "Not enough places for outdoorsy stuff" - Surrounded by parks, trails, mountains, south/papago/tonto/mcdowell etc...and they aren't crowded

3. 4-5 Hour drive from

- Beach

- Vegas

- Skiing

4. Cost of living - 150K-200k buys you a house with a pool in Gilbert (one of the safest cities in America) in CA that buys you a 350 square foot studio

5. Jobs - Most millennials are employed, companies recognize that young people like places where they can have pool parties in November surrounded by good looking people (Scottsdale/Tempe)

6. Like most big cities, its all about where you live...

West Valley - Mexico

Downtown - Hipsters

Tempe - Bros and Babes

Scottsdale - Rich Bros and Babes

East Valley - Mormon Town

The heat from May-September (and increased humidity August-September) are draining, agreed. And the desert is a one of those things you either learn to appreciate/respect, or not. I love Flag, though. Some of the best running up there, and I think it's gorgeous. Sedona and Scottsdale aren't my cup of tea, but I live here, so I'm not into the touristy stuff.

The upside is that you can bond with other runners here pretty easily, just by braving the heat.

Comments about gun nuts, etc. are silly stereotypes. I consider myself a moderate independent, not into guns, and none of my friends are either. I have family living in the Midwest who call themselves gun nuts and fit the criteria.

Downtown Phx. is getting better. Some really good restaurants now.

RE the airport, done much traveling elsewhere? JFK and LAX are complete zoos. I just spent some time traveling through Wisconsin and the Milwaukee ariport had some of the rudest customer service I've ever experienced. I'm not into stereotyping, but sometimes you need to get outside the typical "tourist bubble" to find out what a place is really like.