Ryen Frazier goes 16:06 in College XC Debut!!

All I know is that NC States number one girl at regionals was a walk-on last year. Maybe you should listen to a coach who can turn a 19:30 5k runner into a top 10 regional runner.

EmersonLakeandPalmer wrote:

All I know is that NC States number one girl at regionals was a walk-on last year. Maybe you should listen to a coach who can turn a 19:30 5k runner into a top 10 regional runner.

That's impressive coaching! Turn over the reigns Dad!

smells fishy wrote:

anyone think it's fishy that their dad trains them in COLLEGE?

I think it's downright odd that he gave both his daughters boy's names

108th today.....yikes!!!!!

45 miles a week, 4 mile " tempos" @ 5:21 to 5:25

fred wrote:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/252500-Workout-Wednesday-Season-10/video/794978-Workout-Wednesday-NC-State-Tempo-In-Raleigh#.VlERUP-FMeg

45 miles a week, 4 mile " tempos" @ 5:21 to 5:25

It appears she peaked 2 weeks into the season. Should have been training with the team instead of with Daddy.

Lots of keyboard coaches on here who haven't a clue about tailoring approaches to athletes.

venting wrote:

And ran 19:15 5 years later.

https://flashresults.com/2021_Meets/xc/Wolfpack/002-1_compiled.htm

ouch

what happened?????

I remember early her frosh year her Allie O and Anna Rohrer were a super trio that seemed like they'd be on top of the NCAA for years. The other 2 had a bunch of top 3 NCAA appearances and Frazier disappeared

What happened is she arrived at State as a child prodigy, endured a series of heartbreaking injuries, yet fought through it and graduated summa cm laude in Engineering. She’ll soon have a masters degree thanks to the doors her running success has opened. Ryen is doing great.

Jake Scrum wrote:

What happened is she arrived at State as a child prodigy, endured a series of heartbreaking injuries, yet fought through it and graduated summa cm laude in Engineering. She’ll soon have a masters degree thanks to the doors her running success has opened. Ryen is doing great.

Yes, of course this is true and ultimately what matters. But that is the answer every time someone says what happened to the HS phenom. And while it is great that these good hard working kids have found something else to drive them, it's a cop out. It's not what they wanted, they wanted to be good at running and they now aren't.

It's usually 2 reasons:

1. They were way burned out in HS and probably training/racing above their talent level then with little room to improve.

2. They went to a college that didn't fit them and ruined them.

Usually probably a mix of both.

Then the next 2 things can both be true and commonly are:

A. They will always have the memories and knowledge of how good they were when they were young.

B. Their goal coming into college was to be much much better and the fact that they didn't get there does have causes and reasons that others should learn from.

Indoor? wrote:

Jake Scrum wrote:

What happened is she arrived at State as a child prodigy, endured a series of heartbreaking injuries, yet fought through it and graduated summa cm laude in Engineering. She’ll soon have a masters degree thanks to the doors her running success has opened. Ryen is doing great.

It's not what they wanted, they wanted to be good at running and they now aren't.

You are an idiot! How do you know it's what they wanted, maybe it's what you wanted them to want. Kids grow up, change interests and shift gears to focus on things that can actually get them somewhere. Sometimes they just decide that the effort it takes to be an elite athlete isn't worth it and focus on getting a degree that translates into real $$$. The fact that she still runs shows that she still loves to run, she just chooses to do so as a hobby rather than as a career. I swear you idiots live in a bubble and have no concept of what life is about outside of your basement.

This sport is particularly brutal for young women whose bodies change dramatically between the ages of 18 and 22. Only a handful get better late into their 20s and the consequences to their long term physical and mental well being can be very bad. Running has never been what defines Ryen and she is an extremely talented and well rounded girl. If you knew her you’d be proud of how she’s handled adversity.

Nonsense! wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

It's not what they wanted, they wanted to be good at running and they now aren't.

You are an idiot! How do you know it's what they wanted, maybe it's what you wanted them to want. Kids grow up, change interests and shift gears to focus on things that can actually get them somewhere. Sometimes they just decide that the effort it takes to be an elite athlete isn't worth it and focus on getting a degree that translates into real $$$. The fact that she still runs shows that she still loves to run, she just chooses to do so as a hobby rather than as a career. I swear you idiots live in a bubble and have no concept of what life is about outside of your basement.

I can assure I do not live in a bubble(though it might not be a bad idea currently) and I have a strong idea what life is like. Yes interests do change and gears shift, BUT this is usually AFTER they realize that they are now unable be truly competitive. It's the fairly simple logic that if someone is willing to work so hard in HS that they literally ruin their chances of continuing after it, they probably want to be good at running and have dreams of professional careers and Olympics. I 100% agree that is awesome and a great sign that so many of them are able to handle this and get a good degree. They shouldn't have to is my main point, yes not everyone is going to be an Olympic runner but these girls have that option taken away from them in the manner that they train at a young age. Somewhere along the line parents and coaches need to do what's best for these kids long term.

So maybe to put this in terms that you'll understand. In you current opinion do you think that Tuohy wants to be good at running going forward? Because she is in the exact same situation as Ryen, but just at the midway point. She has talked numerous times about going to the Olympic trials and getting to that level. But due to the training she has done already those options are gone, no one knows it yet. But in 4 years you'll be posting on a thread saying how awesome it is that she got a degree(which it is!) but we need to acknowledge that we could be doing better by these girls and actually giving them a chance truly peak their running careers at the correct time.

Jake Scrum wrote:

This sport is particularly brutal for young women whose bodies change dramatically between the ages of 18 and 22. Only a handful get better late into their 20s and the consequences to their long term physical and mental well being can be very bad. Running has never been what defines Ryen and she is an extremely talented and well rounded girl. If you knew her you’d be proud of how she’s handled adversity.

Again I'll disagree. At 18 womens bodies are mostly changed. When you see kids falling apart in that age range you mentioned it is not normally due to body changes. I'm a HS coach, I deal with the body changes, usually +- 1 year of Sophomore year. 18-22 is when girls typically can thrive in training and make huge gains UNLESS the things they did from 14-18 prevent that.

She’s won multiple HS national championships, 2nd at FL, represented her country at XC in Ireland, won three ACC team championships, all ACC every year before the injuries. All before the age of 22. She’s had a successful running career, and now she will have a successful work career and life.

Jake Scrum wrote:

She’s won multiple HS national championships, 2nd at FL, represented her country at XC in Ireland, won three ACC team championships, all ACC every year before the injuries. All before the age of 22. She’s had a successful running career, and now she will have a successful work career and life.

Yes, I've fully acknowledged that and it's all great. But you don't normally want your college running career to end MUCH worse than it began. It's common sense. If almost every blue chip basketball recruit came in and was on fire as a freshman and then couldn't get on the court as a Senior do you think people might look into why that is and address it?

Baseball and Softball have tons of rules in place to avoid overuse and burn out. Other sports address these issues because they can acknowledge them. When I can't even convince you idiots an issue it's just bound to repeat itself.

So what is your idea to prevent burnout amongst the best and brightest distance stars hm?