Ryen Frazier goes 16:06 in College XC Debut!!

Wolfpack'n 16:06 wrote:

That's insane for a college debut, and that's a PR for her (she ran 16:11 at NBN this past winter)

Her sister, Wesley Frazier, also ran 16:28 for 2nd, she ran 15:45 at Raleigh Relays in March after struggling w/ mono and an injury

From the looks of it, Wesley led for most of the front portion of the race then Ryen took off over the last mile (only photo knowledge), I beleive they're still training under their Dad as well, I didn't see them in the team workout or some of the team photos for NC State

It's crazy to think Ryen wasn't even ranked in the top 25 by Flotrack, but I think she should, maybe even top 15

I'm surprised no one has talked about this thus far, definitely the race of the week

Racing really hasn't picked up yet, and Ryen really didn't emerge as a big time XC runner til SR year, maybe that's why she wasn't ranked, but I wouldn't count her out

BTW: this was at the Adidas XC Challenge at WakeMed park in Cary NC

Fair course, maybe 10 seconds slower than a very flat course, it has a huge uphill and downhill but the surface makes it very fast

Dominque Scott opened up in a 16:01 last year on a equivalent diffculty course, so she's up there

I'm confused, was Wesley redshirting or was she the 2nd scorer?

I'm surprised no one has talked about this thus far, definitely the race of the week

That's an amazing start to her collegiate career but if you weren't talking about it before now why should anyone else?

It has to be noted as well that Ryen Frazier's time would have put her at something like 22nd in the men's college D1 race and 2nd in the hs boys race--I would assume those were all the same 5k course. Definitely an early favorite for frosh of the year and all-American, maybe even top ten--without checking on who else is out there.

Watching her in HS races, I was impressed how tough and scrappy she was. Never gave an inch willingly. Kind of a Pattisue Plumer or Lynn Jennings old-school style.

whatthewhatthewhat wrote:

I'm confused, was Wesley redshirting or was she the 2nd scorer?

She can't run for NC State this season because she transferred in the middle of the year last school year from Duke

She'll be eligible for track this season though

jjjjjj wrote:

It has to be noted as well that Ryen Frazier's time would have put her at something like 22nd in the men's college D1 race and 2nd in the hs boys race--I would assume those were all the same 5k course. Definitely an early favorite for frosh of the year and all-American, maybe even top ten--without checking on who else is out there.

She should definitely be in the top 25, one of the most impressive collegiate FR debuts I've ever seen

Laura Hollanders 19:28 at Wisconin Adidas a couple years back was pretty impressive though

What does she look at when she's running? Honest question.

She has kind of a head bobbing movement a la Paula Radcliffe.

The Irish girl from Miss St who won the NCAA 1500 has that for sure, apparently from copying her twin sister who is coming over this spring.

terague wrote:

She has kind of a head bobbing movement a la Paula Radcliffe.

Not to detract at all from Ryen, but she would have come in 32nd in the boys Championship race...still great in my mind.

I've watched her run many times, always hugely impressed. Clandestine is absolutely right. She's tough, scrappy, old school. Just goes out there and runs hard. Never afraid to lead or push the pace. Hopefully that won't change as she continues to develop and progress. I think she's a huge talent who can do very well.

Regarding her form, yes she has some issues. But no, she's nowhere near as sloppy and counterproductive as Radcliffe was. Hopefully she will gradually work on it and improve it over time. This is important if she wants to reach her maximum potential. But even more important is that no one tries to force any major changes on her form in the short term. (Maybe she should change her phone number and email every month or so. Less chance Alberto can call and offer to fix her problem.)

Bottom line -- Assuming she stays healthy, she is definitely one to watch.

anyone think it's fishy that their dad trains them in COLLEGE?

smells fishy wrote:

anyone think it's fishy that their dad trains them in COLLEGE?

Why is it "fishy"? While it may not be the norm, as long as the coach is okay with it, and the athletes prefer it, then do what works for the athlete - it is the rare coach who would allow this "interference", however. Pretty sure the coach has others to develop who need his/her help anyway. Anything else is about ego - which is far too predominant and destructive in this environment as it is.

I coached a girl in HS who is being destroyed (emotionally) by her arrogant College coach - she would be better off having her Dad coach her (and his knowledge is limited), even if it meant training alone. Sadly, the coach goes with the team, when it is the team/school the athlete signed on for, and not necessarily the coach.

If this coach has the awareness that this could be a win-win for all, then more power to him. As long as boundaries are set - the Dad advises his kids while communicating with the coach (they are both on the same page), and stays away from other kids (doesn't recruit College kids with whom he has no previous afliiation) in terms of coaching. Sounds rather enlightened to me, if difficult to accept for most ego-driven coaches (too many that frequent this site seem to be of this mindset).

smells fishy wrote:

anyone think it's fishy that their dad trains them in COLLEGE?

Fishy how? That he gives them PEDs? That their relationship is inappropriate? Or do u believe he's not their real father?

Fishy can mean a lot of things.

dwightarm wrote:

smells fishy wrote:

anyone think it's fishy that their dad trains them in COLLEGE?

Fishy how? That he gives them PEDs? That their relationship is inappropriate? Or do u believe he's not their real father?

Fishy can mean a lot of things.

I bet the Frazier girls could do really well with Salazar

Wolfpack'n 16:06 wrote:

That's insane for a college debut, and that's a PR for her (she ran 16:11 at NBN this past winter)

Her sister, Wesley Frazier, also ran 16:28 for 2nd, she ran 15:45 at Raleigh Relays in March after struggling w/ mono and an injury

From the looks of it, Wesley led for most of the front portion of the race then Ryen took off over the last mile (only photo knowledge), I beleive they're still training under their Dad as well, I didn't see them in the team workout or some of the team photos for NC State

It's crazy to think Ryen wasn't even ranked in the top 25 by Flotrack, but I think she should, maybe even top 15

I'm surprised no one has talked about this thus far, definitely the race of the week

That is great! Met Wesley when she was a senior. She was very sweet ... and very attractive, not that it matters.