Ben True and Ryan Hill Take Down Rupp

reup-certified saladbar wrote:

end of Androgel era wrote:

No squirts, no medals.

Let's face it, he's just not "elite" on a global level. If a Kenyan guy had his times and competitive record you wouldn't even know his name, let alone remember it five years later.

He is a John Korir level talent. Comparable to Micah Kogo at best.

Haha moron. Micah Kogo is the 6th fastest 10000m runner of all time and won an olympic medal in Beijing. He also had the world record for 10k on the roads and is #2 all time and has run a 2:06 marathon. I don't think you understand what elite means...5th at the world championships in the 5k and 10k seems pretty damn elite to me. Don't shit on him cause he had one bad run...it happens. I mean, look at Isiah Koech...he ran in the 13:20s here.

whoa, hold on with the reason and sanity there coach! sheesh, did everyone miss this point? was kritter the only person who noticed this? please tell me that you truly expect rupp or anyone else to be able to close the back half (ok, 3/5) in 7:42....and i'll show you somebody who is smoking the good stuff. It's just not there for these guys, any of em! don't get me wrong, they're frigging good athletes, but not at that level. 7:49, maybe even 7:45 on a great day, perhaps, but after starting at 13:05 pace at the slowest, you expect them (any of them) to run low 7:40's? c'mon, buy a clue.

coachkritter wrote:

Kejelcha finished in 7:42 and 25.4, which explains why no Americans were able to hang.

Hill ran like a beatch.

I just now have been catching up on news of this race and watched the race video.

To me the story is obvious. Rupp was running a pace outside his ability and he crashed.

Maybe he was going for a PR but I don't think that is true even though he was on PR pace. We know Rupp is excellent in knowing what his physical ability is. I think he knew a PR, let alone an AR, was not in the cards even before the race. In any case, when he goes for PRs his usual attack is negative splits. So he should have been back almost with True the way that early pace was going.

My guess is he just wanted to end the season getting the feel of 12:55 pace in competition and leaving it all on the track.

Its pretty clear he was capable of 13-13:05 had he run the kind of race he usually runs.

It's hard to understand some of the idiots who write on here. We have a media in the UK who praise athletes when they are successful then crucify them when they subsequently don't reach that standard again. On the whole, however , the running community here don't rip them to pieces for a bad run. In Rupp you have someone whom you are judging on his 2012 performance but has still been your best 5 and 10k runner in the race which was the most important of the year, the world championship. Even the title of this thread is disrespectful . I agree Rupp isn't a medal winner on the world stage now but he's still damned good and doesn't deserve the slagging off he gets by people who haven't the slightest idea what the pressures are at racing at that level.

Idiot. Rupp is put on a pedestal over other runner by his rabid fans. No American runner is allowed to be as good. So, when 'lesser' runners beat him it is always nonsense about Rupp being tired, sick, blah, blah. It is never about the better runner won.

Your post only cries about Rupp. Not once did you give credit to the 'lesser' runners. This makes you an even bigger idiot; someone obsessed with Rupp--a fanboy.

Heat It wrote:

Idiot. Rupp is put on a pedestal over other runner by his rabid fans. No American runner is allowed to be as good. So, when 'lesser' runners beat him it is always nonsense about Rupp being tired, sick, blah, blah. It is never about the better runner won.

Your post only cries about Rupp. Not once did you give credit to the 'lesser' runners. This makes you an even bigger idiot; someone obsessed with Rupp--a fanboy.

Who are these "rabid" Rupp fans? On this board at least, the view of Rupp seems to range from pure hatred to grudging respect. I can't think of anyone who gives him more than that.

Anyway, if Cheserek gets his US citizenship in time for 2016 Olympic Trials, I wouldn't be shocked to see Rupp miss the US team in the 5000m. I don't think Ches can beat Rupp right now in a Diamond League style 5000m, but if the trials race is something like 13 flat at the bell, Rupp could have a very tough time outkicking Ches, Hill or True.

I do agree that the posts in this thread saying Rupp had an "off day" are shallow. My point is just to take Rupp's race for what it was. What bothers is what I foresee happening over the next year. - People on this board get fixated on Rupp being beat by True and Hill and running 13:08. - Concluding that Rupp is over the hill. Even though Rupp is clearly closer to 13 flat if he had wanted to run the best time he could. - A year from now Rupp is in great shape and beats his PR. (It may not happen but its very plausible). Then the accusations come forth: 'How is he "suddenly" beating his PR when he was13:08 a year before'. - Then doping accusations reemerge. I'm saying right now that train of thinking is ridiculous.

Heat It wrote:

Idiot. Rupp is put on a pedestal over other runner by his rabid fans. No American runner is allowed to be as good. So, when 'lesser' runners beat him it is always nonsense about Rupp being tired, sick, blah, blah. It is never about the better runner won.

Your post only cries about Rupp. Not once did you give credit to the 'lesser' runners. This makes you an even bigger idiot; someone obsessed with Rupp--a fanboy.

You just don't get it. Because True and Hill beat Rupp in that race doesn't make them better runners other than on that day. It doesn't mean people don't respect this. Rupps performances in the World Champs however make him your best runner this year even if you don't like it !

None of this matters because rupp is a doper. His performances mean less than zero.

Cool it wrote:

You just don't get it. Because True and Hill beat Rupp in that race doesn't make them better runners other than on that day. It doesn't mean people don't respect this. Rupps performances in the World Champs however make him your best runner this year even if you don't like it !

You just don't get it. Because Rupp, occasionally, wins a 5k against Americans, doesn't make him a better run than on that day.

By your Fawlty "Brit" Logic Lagat is far, far, better than Rupp. Lagat is far ahead of Rupp in head-to-head competitions. Butt, 4U it is all about Rupp. As you were told already: UR a 100% Rupp fanboy.

Read your reply again ! How can you beat someone but on that day you aren't a better runner ?? You are a total nugget ! The goal is to peak and run your best in the major championship . Being beaten by other runners In lesser races is of minor importance. So yes - Legat at his best was a better runner than Rupp with his major championship record for this year however , Rupp is your best. And I'm not a particular Rupp fan , I'm just stating an opinion. If I was a fanboy as you call it, then this would be preferable to being a bitter and twisted hater.