The most disturbing doping allegation ever? USADA caught Mayweather before his big fight but let him fight anyway.

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  • we r living in a material wrld
    5 years ago 09/10/2015 7:49pm CDT
    re: webby
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    webby wrote:

    In all seriousness, this is among the least disturbing doping allegations ever. Boxing is a "sport" in which people beat each other into oblivion for entertainment. Do we really care if they take substances that might be harmful to their long-term health? Do we care if people are forced to take health risks to compete at a high level in the sport?

    I don't.

    You should, if you realize that USADA and Tygart are in charge of monitoring doping in running.

    These allegations basically allege corruption and collusion by Tygart and USADA with incredibly high-profile athletes, including but not limited to the use of TUEs. Extremely problematic when many of the biggest names in US track and field are Nike people, and Nike basically owns USATF (and therefore can sway USADA just like the boxing people have).

    Not a big deal compared to NFL corruption or FIFA corruption, but something this sport should definitely be concerned with.
  • Bingo was his name-o
    5 years ago 09/10/2015 8:15pm CDT
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    we r living in a material wrld wrote:

    webby wrote:

    In all seriousness, this is among the least disturbing doping allegations ever. Boxing is a "sport" in which people beat each other into oblivion for entertainment. Do we really care if they take substances that might be harmful to their long-term health? Do we care if people are forced to take health risks to compete at a high level in the sport?

    I don't.

    You should, if you realize that USADA and Tygart are in charge of monitoring doping in running.

    These allegations basically allege corruption and collusion by Tygart and USADA with incredibly high-profile athletes, including but not limited to the use of TUEs. Extremely problematic when many of the biggest names in US track and field are Nike people, and Nike basically owns USATF (and therefore can sway USADA just like the boxing people have).

    Not a big deal compared to NFL corruption or FIFA corruption, but something this sport should definitely be concerned with.


    BINGO! Only the clueless fail to $ee the connect between favor by the U$ADA and big money $port$ and companie$.
  • Luv2Run
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    5 years ago 09/10/2015 8:15pm CDT
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    A quick note: while USADA does receive federal grants, it is not truly funded by taxpayer dollars. The grants are a large part of its budget though.
  • webby
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    5 years ago 09/10/2015 8:39pm CDT
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    we r living in a material wrld wrote:

    webby wrote:

    In all seriousness, this is among the least disturbing doping allegations ever. Boxing is a "sport" in which people beat each other into oblivion for entertainment. Do we really care if they take substances that might be harmful to their long-term health? Do we care if people are forced to take health risks to compete at a high level in the sport?

    I don't.

    You should, if you realize that USADA and Tygart are in charge of monitoring doping in running.

    These allegations basically allege corruption and collusion by Tygart and USADA with incredibly high-profile athletes, including but not limited to the use of TUEs. Extremely problematic when many of the biggest names in US track and field are Nike people, and Nike basically owns USATF (and therefore can sway USADA just like the boxing people have).

    Not a big deal compared to NFL corruption or FIFA corruption, but something this sport should definitely be concerned with.


    USADA corruption is troubling, absolutely. But now that we've seen the doping statistics from the iaaf leak, this isn't news. IAAF wouldn't have had the chance to turn their backs on the widespread doping of US athletes if USADA hadn't turned their backs first.
  • Money Talks.........
    5 years ago 09/10/2015 8:58pm CDT
    re: LetsRun.com
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    LetsRun.com wrote:

    USADA has issued a denial to the first allegation.

    http://www.usada.org/usada-statement-inaccurate-news-reports-pro-boxing/


    USADA wrote:

    As was already publicly reported in May of this year by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), Mr. Mayweather applied for and was granted a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) by USADA for an IV infusion of saline and vitamins that was administered prior to his May 2 fight against Manny Pacquiao. Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today. Nonetheless, because Mr. Mayweather was voluntarily taking part in a USADA program, and therefore subject to the rules of the WADA Code, he took the additional step of applying for a TUE after the IV infusion was administered in order remain in compliance with the USADA program.

    It seems reasonable that USADA wouldn't be concerned he was getting an IV if it wasn't against the rules of the fight.


    The rules regarding TUEs for IVs make it clear that Floyd should not have been allowed to have this infusion. Read the WADA Code below. It specifically talks about sports with weight classifications abusing IVs.

    "Intravenous Infusions and/or Injections
    1. Introduction
    Intravenous (IV) infusions have been included on the WADA List of Prohibited
    Substances and Methods under section M2. Prohibited Methods, Chemical and
    Physical Manipulation since 2005. They are prohibited both in- and out-ofcompetition.

    The current wording in the 2015 Prohibited List states that Intravenous infusions
    and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those
    legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical
    investigations (1).
    The wording in the Prohibited List for IV infusions is unique in that the method is
    not prohibited under the three exceptions as stated above. However, even if
    there may be no requirement for a TUE for the intravenous infusion as a
    method, for any prohibited substance (whether in- or out-of-competition) that is
    administered via IV infusion, a TUE must be requested for the Prohibited
    Substance.
    IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes
    could use this Prohibited Method to:
    a) increase their plasma volume levels;
    b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
    c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.
    In sports with weight classifications, athletes may be encouraged to undertake
    significant, accelerated weight loss to qualify for a competition and then use IV
    infusion to rapidly rehydrate. This practice invokes issues of athlete health and
    safety.
    An IV infusion or injection is the supply of fluid and/or prescribed medication by
    means of a syringe or “butterfly” needle, directly into a vein.
    Infusions or injections of 50 mL or less per a 6-hour period are permitted unless
    the infused/injected substance is on the Prohibited List.
    Infusions or injections of more than 50 mL per a 6-hour period are prohibited
    unless the infused/injected substance is administered during a hospital
    admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation. Please consult the tables/
    TUE Physician Guidelines
    Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs
    INTRAVENOUS INFUSIONS
    © WADA - World Anti-Doping Program
    Version 4.0
    February 2015
    2
    figures in the Appendix for more details on the principles and examples of when
    IV infusion/injections of certain substances are permitted or prohibited.

    If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital
    admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted
    for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is
    infused or injected.
    If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
    application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
    whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
    which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
    constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).

    2. Diagnosis
    A. Medical history
    A summary of the athlete’s history and the findings of a physical
    examination should confirm the diagnosis and establish the need for an IV
    infusion. A precise description of the clinical situation and specific medical
    indication for the IV infusion must be given in the TUE application.
    Note that if an IV infusion or injection is part of a clinical investigation,
    surgical procedure or hospital admission, there is no requirement for a
    TUE. The athlete is nevertheless advised to obtain and keep a copy of the
    medical records from the intervention or procedure.
    B. Diagnostic criteria
    A clearly defined diagnosis should be established in accordance with the
    International Classification of Diseases standards of the World Health
    Organization ICD-10).
    C. Relevant medical information
    A detailed description of the substance to be infused, the rate of infusion
    and any other relevant clinical information from the treating physician
    should be included. It must be demonstrated why an alternative permitted
    therapy, for example oral rehydration in case of dehydration, is not a valid
    option. Any existing co-morbidities that would influence the decision for
    granting a TUE should also be included.
    TUE Physician Guidelines
    Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs
    INTRAVENOUS INFUSIONS
    © WADA - World Anti-Doping Program
    Version 4.0
    February 2015
    3
    3. Medical best practice treatment
    Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are
    most commonly associated with either medical emergencies or in-patient care.
    When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should
    be fulfilled:
    1. A clearly defined diagnosis.
    2. Supportive evidence that no permitted alternative treatment can be
    used.
    3. The treatment has been ordered by a physician and administered by
    qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting.
    4. Adequate medical records of the treatment.
    The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after
    exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It
    must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to
    correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated
    by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence
    to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred therapeutic choice, potentially
    even more effective than IV infusion.
    (Ref: 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)
    A. Name of Prohibited Method
    IV infusion or injection of >50 mL per a 6 hour period unless legitimately
    received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or
    clinical investigations.
    B. Recommended Duration
    Dependent on diagnosis and on the particular clinical situation, but if the
    infusion is a single intervention, the TUE should be valid for a relatively
    short duration.
    4. Other non-prohibited alternative treatments
    Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication.
    5. Consequences to health if treatment withheld
    These will be dependent on the clinical situation. However, in case of a medical
    emergency, a possible consequence of withholding treatment could result in
    serious harm to the health or even death. Therefore, the health and well-being
    of the athlete must always remain the priority.
    TUE Physician Guidelines
    Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs
    INTRAVENOUS INFUSIONS
    © WADA - World Anti-Doping Program
    Version 4.0
    February 2015
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    6. Treatment monitoring
    Continuous evaluation by treating physician or someone acting on his/her behalf
    until the desired treatment effect has been achieved.

    7. TUE validity and recommended review process
    The duration of the TUE is usually for a short time period surrounding the initial
    medical intervention. Longer usage of an IV infusion would typically occur in a
    hospital setting and therefore does not require a TUE.
    8. Any appropriate cautionary matters
    It is the responsibility of the treating physician to evaluate the clinical indication
    for an IV infusion or injection and the subsequent need for a TUE application.
    At all times, the health and well-being of the athlete must remain the priority
    during medical investigations and treatments. TUECs should apply sound clinical
    judgment to their interpretation of the ISTUE, but be mindful of the
    inappropriate use of IV infusion in non-emergency situations wh
  • Tyrone ReXXXing
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    5 years ago 09/10/2015 9:19pm CDT
    re: LetsRun.com
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    LetsRun.com wrote:
    The most disturbing doping allegation ever!
    There is an incredible 7,000+ word piece of investigative journalism out on SBnation by Thomas Hauser that you MUST READ.

    .....
    It seems reasonable that USADA wouldn't be concerned he was getting an IV if it wasn't against the rules of the fight.

    So we go from "MOST DISTURBING INCREDIBLE DOPING ALLEGATION/OFFENSE/CORRUPTION OCCURRED WITH USADA!" to...

    Oh, what USADA did "sounds reasonable".

    lol... You guys will never learn will you.

    This is why Paula is on the hot-seat. You want to blow up each and every "might be /possibly is /probably is" doper "allegation" story and spread it all over the internet. You reap what you sow.

    I hope Paula's reputation is forever tarnished, and she is forever thought of as a drug cheat by a lot of the public. If that's the case, take a bow LetsRun, take a bow.
  • Alan Webb's Triceps
    5 years ago 09/10/2015 11:35pm CDT
    re: Typical
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    Typical wrote:
    The fight between these two was postponed for years as Mayweather insisted on random, Olympic-style blood and urine testing and Pacquiao declined to agree to the specific form of drug testing, and the deal fell apart.

    In 2009, Manny agreed to whatever doping controls Floyd wanted up to the pre-fight press conference and after the fight. After this deal fell through, Manny then gave in and agreed to any of Floyd's testing demands.

    You make it sound like doping controls were the only impediment to Money and PacMan fighting before this year. One of the oldest tricks in the book to avoid fighting someone in boxing is to price yourself out of a fight. Even back in 2009/2010, when Floyd and Manny were arguably on equal footing, Floyd demanded a majority split of fight earnings when a 50/50 split would have gotten the deal done. If Floyd really wanted the fight and if he wanted to beat the best (Manny had just been named Ring Magazine's fighter of the decade) in his prime, he could have taken the fight.
  • Longjack
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 2:02am CDT
    re: dem bros be cheatin
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    Tyson Hollyfield. Tony are all PED experiments.duh. pac mac too. Now mayweather i guessed would be more or less clean doing minor stuff. Wrong. At the end of the day follow the money and look at the data. People talk is just waaaay to dodgy.
  • Look Over Here Instead!
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 5:29am CDT
    re: LetsRun.com
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    LetsRun.com wrote:
    There is an incredible 7,000+ word piece of investigative journalism out on SBnation by Thomas Hauser that you MUST READ.

    So you're trying to shift attention from Paula?

    But you're doing it by pointing out the corruptness of the foxes guarding the hen houses?
  • Pilgrim_S
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    5 years ago 09/11/2015 8:32am CDT
    re: Bingo was his name-o
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    Bingo was his name-o wrote:

    we r living in a material wrld wrote:

    webby wrote:

    In all seriousness, this is among the least disturbing doping allegations ever. Boxing is a "sport" in which people beat each other into oblivion for entertainment. Do we really care if they take substances that might be harmful to their long-term health? Do we care if people are forced to take health risks to compete at a high level in the sport?

    I don't.

    You should, if you realize that USADA and Tygart are in charge of monitoring doping in running.

    These allegations basically allege corruption and collusion by Tygart and USADA with incredibly high-profile athletes, including but not limited to the use of TUEs. Extremely problematic when many of the biggest names in US track and field are Nike people, and Nike basically owns USATF (and therefore can sway USADA just like the boxing people have).

    Not a big deal compared to NFL corruption or FIFA corruption, but something this sport should definitely be concerned with.


    BINGO! Only the clueless fail to $ee the connect between favor by the U$ADA and big money $port$ and companie$.


    So what went wrong for Lance?
  • thebasher
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 9:09am CDT
    re: Pilgrim_S
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    How can we blame this on the millennials?
  • Shoebacca
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    5 years ago 09/11/2015 9:22am CDT
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    This makes USADA look terrible. They should have immediately spoken out against Mayweather. The point was for them to provide "Olympic-style" testing, which means following their own guidelines and thus those of WADA. The approval by smaller boards and the rules of the fight itself are irrelevant; their stance should have been in opposition to the fight being legal. Whether or not the fight happens after that, especially finding out the day before, who can say that it gets stopped. Whether or not the fight continued USADA should have been in opposition to Mayweather's legal cleanliness to participate.

    They have no business giving a retroactive TUE. It was against their own rules. Their organization loses all credibility if they follow lesser governing bodies' weaker guidelines.
  • maywhether
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 9:48am CDT
    re: Shoebacca
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    I heard Mayweather's wife was doping, and he had to dope too to keep up. Otherwise she would have been able to take him in a fight.
  • Alan Webb's Triceps
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 10:21am CDT
    re: Shoebacca
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    Shoebacca wrote:
    They have no business giving a retroactive TUE. It was against their own rules. Their organization loses all credibility if they follow lesser governing bodies' weaker guidelines.

    Boxing's doping controls and response to doping are laughable. If WADA is indeed in control here, the NSAC would rule the fight a no contest.
  • Cyclingfan
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 10:40am CDT
    re: Alan Webb's Triceps
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    Combat Sports are my favourite pastime. The story was actually in Boxing scene back in May, glad to see SI have picked it up.

    Doping in these sports is particularly egregious due to it not being a race but actual physical harm being dished out. Being able to punch harder for longer, being able to cut more weight to go into lower divisions. Puts the opponent at much more material risk of permanent damage.

    The after effects of boxing is saddening enough with punch drunk fighters without adding an extra 15 head shots a bout.

    USADA have posted a rebuttal , the lid is slowly coming off professional sports , a regression might actually prove the best thing for it, sponsors moving away and less pressure as a result.
  • Alan Webb's Triceps
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 11:43am CDT
    re: Cyclingfan
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    Cyclingfan wrote:

    Combat Sports are my favourite pastime. The story was actually in Boxing scene back in May, glad to see SI have picked it up.

    Doping in these sports is particularly egregious due to it not being a race but actual physical harm being dished out. Being able to punch harder for longer, being able to cut more weight to go into lower divisions. Puts the opponent at much more material risk of permanent damage.

    The after effects of boxing is saddening enough with punch drunk fighters without adding an extra 15 head shots a bout.

    USADA have posted a rebuttal , the lid is slowly coming off professional sports , a regression might actually prove the best thing for it, sponsors moving away and less pressure as a result.

    Good to hear of another boxing/distance running fan. I've always thought it was an interesting combination of sports to love.

    Boxing doesn't seem to have a uniform set of standards to follow, and this is aggravated by having four major (IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA) sanctioning bodies for naming titlists.

    I hope the Floyd IV story blows up and brings more attention to the sport's corruption. I was disappointed to see boxing put a lid on reporters questioning Floyd about his domestic violence history leading up to the last fight, and I hope that the sport doesn't try to sweep this under the rug.
  • Floyd
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 12:14pm CDT
    re: Pilgrim_S
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    Pilgrim_S wrote:
    So what went wrong for Lance?

    Lance got caught up in Tygart's effort to boost his ego and make a name for himself. Anyone paying attention to USADA's efforts to police PED use in cycling saw this immediately. If the goal is to clean up PED use, you don't give sweetheart deals to cyclists who are currently riding in the pro peloton in exchange for information about a retired cyclist. Makes absolutely no sense.
  • Saint Lemond
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 12:19pm CDT
    re: Floyd
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    Tygart outed himself in the Armstrong case by bringing down the hammer on the name athlete and letting 11 caught dopers off with a baby-slap on the wrist (mini-bans during the cycling off-season).
  • Former Boxing Fan
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 3:23pm CDT
    re: Saint Lemond
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    Boxing has become very, very dirty over the past several decades. This is a problem that goes way beyond Mayweather. Just compare the physique of a welterweight or middleweight of 30 years ago to one of today. The heavies have become a freak show. It's a joke, and I don't want to hear about improvements in "training."

    Boxing is the wild west, with essentially no governing body. It's all about $$$ and the number of pay-per-view buys and that's it.
  • Cyclingfan
    5 years ago 09/11/2015 3:39pm CDT
    re: Former Boxing Fan
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    look at everyone who's popped, Jones Jr, Sugar Shane Mosely, top top names
 
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