MVRunner wrote:. . . When you passed me on the Key Bridge. . . ,
it has been a very long time since I've been on Randalls Island so I must ask where is The Key Bridge?
Thanks
MVRunner wrote:. . . When you passed me on the Key Bridge. . . ,
it has been a very long time since I've been on Randalls Island so I must ask where is The Key Bridge?
Thanks
thanks in advance wrote:
MVRunner wrote:. . . When you passed me on the Key Bridge. . . ,it has been a very long time since I've been on Randalls Island so I must ask where is The Key Bridge?
Thanks
Roosevelt Island Washington DC
you don't often see someone else running near you at a relatively close pace, so use them when you do. if they want to slow down, they get passed. deal with it. There aren't any Bekeles on here.
pics?
Les wrote:
There's probably not a runner alive who hasn't used a runner in front of him as motivation, friend or stranger.
Never. Not even once.
Tyrone Rexxing
AND.....I guarantee that every single person who complains about it, has at least once (likely a few times) done the same exact thing: been passed and picked up the pace to keep near, saw someone in the distance and picked up the pace to haul them in, tried to hang with a faster runner who went by them, in other words: "raced" someone on their workout. Everyone has done it at sometime, so people, please don't be hypocrites, despite one's rationalizations on why "when *I* did it, it was 'different'," i.e., acceptable behavior. )[/quote]
Well you're wrong. I've never done this, not even once.
Pollly Plumber wrote:
Actually, you deserved his ORAL abuse. Verbal means words - can be written or spoken. So the abuse he exacted on you was oral abuse. Now, if he had written you a nasty note afterwards - that would be verbal abuse.
Sounds like verbal abuse was a perfectly acceptable choice of phrase according to your own definition, no?
I don't understand why more people don't just fight it out. Man the f*ck up, stop talking sh*t and start throwing hands.
You know what's creepy? I hurt my knee on a run one time near that spot and had to hobble back barely running in quite a bit of pain. I past a big weightlifter trainer looking guy maybe doing 12-13min/mile that was also jogging. I didn't think anything of it but a couple minutes later, he pulled up right next to me and started jogging alongside of me. Not behind me but shoulder to shoulder like he was my buddy. He didn't say anything but I could tell he was really getting a workout in. This went on for a couple awkward minutes and then i just excused myself.
malmo wrote:
Les wrote:There's probably not a runner alive who hasn't used a runner in front of him as motivation, friend or stranger.
Never. Not even once.
So you've never once run on a team? Or are you saying you've led every workout on every team you've been on? Henry Marsh or any rival has never inspired you to run faster?
I couldn't agree more with the OPs sentiment. He wasn't at fault at all. It's not like he was on their shoulder. I doubt that most of the blowhards on here that are calling him a creep/ stalker etc have any concept of 5 meters. That's like a FULL SIZE SEDAN ! You couldn't even eavesdrop on their conversation from that distance. Hence the OPs description 'a polite 5 meters'.
So one (presumably older as you've mentioned some old PBs ) guy, runs way back from a pair of runners, who from the description, I'm assuming are younger. How could they possibly feel threatened in this situation? At 9:30 am even! Not at all like some guy following a woman at dusk FFS. The only thing threatened was likely their fragile douchebag egos. Leave the hyperbole out of this. Nobody deserves a punch in the face here, for Chrissakes! I know this site is infamous for its trolls, but there are repercussions to spreading this garbage, advocating aggression as the first response in any social situation. I shudder to think that some 9th grader reads this and assumes that agression and verbal abuse is a reasonable response in such a situation. Try empathy for a change, people. Ever thought that 'hey there's another fairly quick guy (relative to me) on my route- that's cool'. If you happen across some fellow runner out there and you're both running, like 7:00 pace, that puts you at least at 96% percentile for the general population. So there, you've got a lot in common already. It's called 'Community'. If you're going to make assumptions why not start with the most obvious, and least sinister scenario, that the guy behind you is trying to keep up in order to push himself a bit harder.We're all out there busting our ass to get fitter, so how about some mutual respect for that.You know, when you see a fellow runner out there in driving rain or sub zero temps- ever think 'Nice! Waydda go' ??
If you feel the guy is going to throw you off your pacing, or you'd prefer to run alone, just say so, but in a civil manner. I'm sure they'll get the message- why escalate things at the outset.
In the event that these two douchebags do read this thread, sadly they will now feel their verbal abuse is vindicated by the comments of a few trolls, who actually represent the opinion of a very small minority. A wasted opportunity to give these idiots the shaming they deserve.
Never? What if Tabb passed you on your magneto loop?
I've reeled in slower runners out of boredom. It get boring out there sometimes.
I've also looked back and sped up to avoid being passed. Who hasn't?
The Douchebag is the OP.
Some days I probably would not mind if someone tried to stick with me for the last couple miles of a hard run on the path. I might even give the guy a high five in the trailhead parking lot. Runners are usually good people.
Other days I am seeking solitude. You are stimuli that I don't need. If running with a friend, you would seem an infringement of our personal space. Glomming off someone's pace without first asking seems either too needy or too aggressive. It's like injecting yourself into a conversation between two people because you overheard something that you made a connection with. That may not always turn out favorably for you.
MVRunner wrote:
You know, with the backwards white Pacers baseball cap, running with the black-haired friend. When you passed me on the Key Bridge, I was curious how fast you were going, and realized that I could use some tempo work myself. So I picked up the pace to match you, and stayed a polite 5 meters behind for the next mile, before you slowed down and I passed you back....
I haven't read this thread, but seriously... you're an @sshole for screwing up this guy's workout. There's nothing more annoying than passing someone, and then that someone tries to speed up and "latch on" while you're trying to focus on your workout. Rightfully so you got an earful from this guy! Learn some manners, jerk.
MVRunner wrote:
Hobby Jogger,
A former 14:54 5k runner and 2:31 marathoner who may not be as fast as you, but who doesn't deserve your verbal abuse
So are you angry he called a spade a spade?
MVRunner wrote:...By way of contrast: when I was a college runner, we occasionally had local high school kids latch on to our pack during training runs. We thought it was great...
I hope you would recognize that the situation above is completely different from the situation you described in your original post. If I'm out for a training run either solo or with a friend and some random guy settles in 5m behind us without announcing his intentions ("hey, you guys mind if I run with you?") my first thought is why and I'm immediately going to be defensive. There have been far too many cases of people out exercising who get attacked. Having some guy I don't know right behind me (5m is really close!) is not a gap that I'm comfortable with. You want to hang 30m-40m back, no problem. If you're somebody I know or recognize I'm probably going to wave you up to run with me/us, beacuse I agree it's a lot more fun to train with people and I have no problem sharing a workout. But if you're going to stalk me from 5k back, that's not going to work for me.
That's a good point. If the OP did want to run the same workout as those two guys, what would be the appropriate gap? I agree that 5m might be cutting it a little close, but I think 15-20m would totally be acceptable. Anyone else wanna weigh in on that?
MVRunner wrote:
Sincerely,
A former 14:54 5k runner and 2:31 marathoner who may not be as fast as you, but who doesn't deserve your verbal abuse
Excellent troll. Gave the necessary clue with your use of "hobby jogger" and still got tons of responses, making it that much more delicious.
Although the story is made up, it's the kind of thing that happens among the hobby jogger crowd all the time. They don't race much so there is no settled hierarchy based on race results, and they don't train systematically at different paces. So training runs easily become races as the 7.5 minute mile guys prove they're faster than the 8 minute mile guys.
Rockgip wrote:
That's a good point. If the OP did want to run the same workout as those two guys, what would be the appropriate gap? I agree that 5m might be cutting it a little close, but I think 15-20m would totally be acceptable. Anyone else wanna weigh in on that?
15-20m may be ok in a park. But in the woods it should rather be ~100m. If you're so slow that you're running after a chick, don't do it.