Ryan Hall against Stephen Sambu and Mo Farah in GreatNorthRun

Nadz wrote:

Your posts are getting worse and worse by the day.

I've noticed that as well. That guy is dumb.

Other options wrote:Dudes just trying to say sambu is capable of kamworor type efforts which we know Farah can handle

don't delude yourself

sambu didn't even bother with kenyan trials as he knew he had no chance v kamwo

sambu knows kamwo is quantum leap better 10k guy

the problem for kamwo in peking was his 2nd stringers didn't do enough pacing or hard enough & he had to do most of it, giving mo huge drafting advantage of maybe 15s of "saved" energy to bring to last lap

the last 9k at ~ 26'50 pace was never going to break mo, even in brutal conditions of peking

the 2 2nd stringers had to do all the donkey work to 8k, swapping kilometers at 26'40 pace from gun with kamwo never once having to lead or break a step as the 2nd stringers swapped up ahead

they wouda been carried off the track at 8k, but that wouda given kamwo his chance to blast like an ICBM in last 2k breaking a likely already well-dropped mo at 8k

i don't see the kenyan 2nd stringers doing this for kamwo in rio as they still desperately seek that worthless bronze for themselves & won't sacrifice themselves for kamwo's kenyan gold attempt

anyhows, sambu coudn't carry kamwo's jockstrap

Les wrote:

Farah ran 26:50 this year at Pre.

Reading comprehensions is not one of your skills. Sambu lead most of the race he ran in 26:54. Now, how much of the race did sit-and-kick Farah lead when he ran 26:50?

At this point 65 minutes would be good for Hall. His performance at LA was an embarassment. Why go out in 4:49 and surge the first 3 miles when you know there is know way in hell that you can hold that pace or anything even close.

More like Stephen Sambu against Mo Farah, Ryan Hall against some second tier collegians

ventolin^3 wrote:

really annoying mo keeps running this worthless race

rieti is on same day

it wouda been better for his "legacy" if he'd taken a shot at 7'17 / 7'18 in rieti on that day instead

Do you think he could do this, vent?

areusure? wrote:

Hall What wrote:

Besides that fact that Hall has run 59:42 around 8 years ago what has he done since then to even earn the honor of being mentioned in the title with Mo and Sambu? Being very serious. He is treated like he is still the same runner he was 8 years ago and since 2011/2012 he hasn't been even someone that could be mentioned as a top 10 runner in the US. I hope I'm wrong, but if the pace is fast I don't see Hall being within 2 minutes of the leaders.

He's a white US American.

What is a white US American?

rupp-androsaged eight-lapper wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

really annoying mo keeps running this worthless race

rieti is on same day

it wouda been better for his "legacy" if he'd taken a shot at 7'17 / 7'18 in rieti on that day instead

Do you think he could do this, vent?

He would need undetectable Komen drugs.

Comprehension wrote:

Les wrote:

Farah ran 26:50 this year at Pre.

Reading comprehensions is not one of your skills. Sambu lead most of the race he ran in 26:54. Now, how much of the race did sit-and-kick Farah lead when he ran 26:50?

Oh I see. So PACING ABILITY not finishing time is what you meant. Yes, Sambu is a much better pacer than Farah.

Matt Fitzgerald ( Competitor ):

"Afterward Komen admitted he had not even known what the existing world record time was going into the race. Indeed, according to those who then surrounded him, Komen had little general understanding of records and paces and distances.

“He didn’t really comprehend what he was doing,” Ratcliffe says. “He just ran as hard as he could. There was no barrier there.”

Alongside his hunger to escape poverty, Komen’s innocence as a runner might have been one of the most important psychological ingredients to his success.

“He was an uninhibited runner,” says Ricky Simms, who also helped manage Komen under Kim McDonald. “He had no fear of times or other runners.”

Mo doesn't race this way, and he's not taking down Komen's record.

i'm not answering this as too many yoyos/clowns prevalent extendedly by ?? global warming / ??? to much coriolis making their neurone swirl wrong

anyhows, here was my my suggestion at bottom of page :

then, when i got access to predictor :

someone can put in those missing 3ks

i'm not !!!

ventolin^3 wrote:

the last 9k at ~ 26'50 pace was never going to break mo, even in brutal conditions of peking

The conditions were not brutal. It was 78 degrees at night. There was also a breeze.

i'm the guy who defended sambu with that pre 10k reference. obviously farah can run 26:54, what i meant was that farah couldnt run it from the front, as a rabbit trying to hit specific paces.

sambu has a couple possible reasons why he might have missed the kenyan trials. he couldve been injured around that time. he couldve decided that winning $ on the roads was better.

or he couldve thought he didn't have a chance to make the team, but thats the least likely option. maybe he wouldnt beat kamwowor, but he'd possibly be top 3 at kanyan trials.

but what sambu has that kamwowor doesnt is ROAD experience. he gets it done on the road.

It was warm with high humidity. I live and train in florida. There is a pretty dramatic difference when racing in the high humidity. Last year I travelled to a colder climate and trained for a week. My heart rate was about 10beats less at the same pace and it took about 20 minutes before it finally leveled off. It was 34 degrees but I ran in the sun. In florida my heart rate levels off within 5 minutes. The 5k isn't so bad. the 10k sucks in the can't cool yourself humidity. Marathon? Forget it, id rather die.

To be honest, I think Ryan Hall would be hard pressed to contend for the women's title at the Great North Run. I will predict a time between 1:05 and 1:09... if not a DNF/DNS.

Change against to behind

Part of me has always wondered if Hall is a half marathoner at heart who just happened to run a few good marathons in his prime.

Honestly, the race drop outs (while inexcusable from the standpoint of character and professionalism) may have been the result of Hall's slow-twitch capacity just not being on par with elite marathoners.

I'm curious to see how he does in a half marathon against solid competition. If there's a distance I think he can still be competitive in, it's 13.1 miles.

I agree and I think there are a lot of runners (even Ritz) who could have run 15K-1/2 mara on roads and won a lot of races.

Sarah over Ryan is not out of the question.

As a fellow white dude, i'm happy to see Ryan Hall racing. I've also accepted that he is past his prime and will not compete for the win. Still, happy he's out there.

...mostly just reminds me how bitter I am that the pipeline of talent in the class behind Hall, Ritz, Meb has been nonexistent by comparison.