Farah ran 1:48 in 2003. His 1500m pb at the time was 3:43. There is no way he only runs 1:47 now as a 3:28 guy.
Farah would definitely run 1:44/1:45
Farah ran 1:48 in 2003. His 1500m pb at the time was 3:43. There is no way he only runs 1:47 now as a 3:28 guy.
Farah would definitely run 1:44/1:45
I'm a huge Geb fan and have already given him credit to having equal or greater range than Farah.
Farah's 1500 is better. Running indoors on a banked track is not a marginal disadvantage over 1500m. (Geb's best outdoor time is 3:33)
And indoor championships are generally weak.
I don't think Geb could have run 3:28 and what's more important is that he didn't do it.
I don't think Farah needs a #1 800 time to be in the conversation, just a really fast time.
I think Geb has the best range ever and Farah has surpassed Aouita for second best.
Farah definitely has the best range ever in a short period.
In both 2013 and 2015 he ran a 3:28 1500 and won 5000/10,000 double Gold. Plus a 59 minute half marathon in 2015.
And squeezed a 2:08 marathon in between.
Geb ran his last 1500 in 1999 and debuted his marathon in 2002.
Aouita was all over the place.
800m PR 1988
1500m PR 1985
Mile PR 1987
3000 PR 1989
5000 PR 1987
10,000 1986
So he maintained his range at all times, too.
Just curious how these guys would match up if points were assigned to their performances in the distances they have in common and then totaled up.
Anyone?
I think Farah should run the 60 all through the upcoming indoor season.
No way Farah even comes close to Geb..There is so much more of a difference between 2;03;59 and 2:08 marathon than there is between 3;28 and 3;31 1500mAnd not that any of this matters when comparing numbers, but Geb is basically the greatest guy in the world and Mo is a d bag - both by himself and by NPO association. Do you think Geb would fight with Andy Vernon on twitter
Horst Girth wrote:
I think Farah should run the 60 all through the upcoming indoor season.
He should immediately attack the Appalachian through-hike record. Nobody has ever closed the TH in under 2:00 for the last half.
Definitely one of the most impressive achievements in athletics, to win gold in the 5000, then step DOWN to the 800 and still medal.
Farah has the indoor 2 mile WR
Gebs is way better than Mo is and will ever be. Yeah Mo can win championships but he holds no World Records or even close for that matter whatever the distance in question. Mo 328 is very impressive and is probably the only distance Mo would beat Geb over but any other distance Geb would smoke Mo. Gebs 203 marathon compared to Mo 208 is over a Mile in difference, Geb would be back in the hotel having a shower before Mo has finished. I understand it was Mo's debut so Mo should be able to run quicker than 208 but a mile is a lot to make up when you are already running that fast of pace, even over 26.2 miles. Gebs debut was 2:06.35, so Geb improved 2mins 36 to his PR. If Mo improves the same, Mo would end with a PR of 2:05.45, still 1min 46 of Gebs best! Gebs is also 24 seconds quicker over 10,000m, which is 180m +/-, 17seconds quicker over 5000m, which is 150m +/-. When operating at these speeds it gets very very hard to improve seconds. Mo is a great championship winner no question and rightly owns great athlete status, but to become the best distance runner EVER, a Legend and have the best range ever he needs to attack the World Records or at least come close.
Geb
1500 metres: 3:33.73
Mile: 3:52.39
3000 metres: 7:25.09
2-mile: 8:01.08
5000 metres: 12:39.36
10,000 metres: 26:22.75
10km road: 27:02
Half marathon: 58:55
Marathon: 2:03:59
Mo:
1500 metres: 3:28.81
Mile: 3:56.49
3000 metres: 7:34.66/ 7:33.1 (indoor)
2-mile: 8:07.85/ 8:03.40 (indoor)
5000 metres: 12:53.11
10,000 metres: 26:46.57
Half Marathon: 59:32
Marathon: 2:08:21
couple of quick questions:
Who establishes the exact rules for best range ever? You?
Why should Mo care about your rules?
How about best range equals someone who can hit the A standard at the most distances?
Mo and Geb (and Bekele) hit the standard in the exact same events from 1500 to the marathon.
Hitting the standard in the 800 would give him a larger range.
Star wrote:
Aouita vs. Farah in Olympic events:
800 1:43.86 - 1:48.69
1500 3:29.46 - 3:28.81
5000 12:58.9 - 12:53.11
10,000 27:26.11 - 26:46.57
Marathon DNR - 2:08:21
You can pick some non-championship distances where Aouita has a better PR outside of the 800.
You have not talked about Olympic events.
You got Aouita's 5000m PB wrong.
You forgot the 3000mSt.
So, Aouita has the better PB than Farah in the 800m, 1000m, 1 Mile, 2000m, 3000m, 3000mSt.
But for sure Farah's sequence of marks is very impressive and might be better than Aouita's. But when considering when Aouita has set his PBs, it's not anymore close.
In brackets the best position on the all-time list which Aouita has had:
800m (13), 1000m (6), 1500m (1), 1 Mile (2), 2000m (1); 3000m (1), 2 Miles (2); 5000m (1), 10000m (6), 3000mSt (82).
It also has to be said that in the Seoul 800m final and in Nice 85 1500m and in his 10000m debut in Oslo Aouita had to run very wide which easily proves that he was capable of running better times. Definitely something like 1:43.2 over 800m - 3:28.5 over 1500m - 27:16 over 10000m. Just because ofthe extra distance he ran. Also his 3000m and 5000m WRs were far from perfect.
hhghgh wrote:
Farah has the indoor 2 mile WR
Not a world record. Not a legitimate event. Even the 1000m is more legitimate than it.
ventolin^3 wrote:
he definitely couda gone 26'25 / 26'30 this year
Ventolin doesn't know what "definitely" means. Farah's best time this year wasn't even under 26:50 was it?
Every race result is a sample of a stochastic process, basically. Good luck finding the (non-constant) mean and (non-constant) variance tho.
Phantasy Star wrote:
Seriously.
3:28 in the 1500. Closing a 5000 with 1:48. This guy has to have a 1:44 in him minimum. Imagine a 1:44 800 guy with a 2:08 marathon PR!
^Comical. Haile had that incredible 200m Sprint in 25 sec, ran 1500 in low 3:30s, broke 5k wr, SMASHED 10k wr, and broke marathon wr (and half also I think?). Oh and by the way his prs are WAY better than farahs from 2 mile all the way to the marathon. So...
ventolin^3 wrote:
his 3'28.9 was essentially undrafted, worth 3'27-flat with pacing to bell
he definitely couda gone 26'25 / 26'30 this year
someone try 3'27 with 26'25 / 26'30 for 400 / 800 / 3k / 5k
( i can't do them from this computer - i'll do it later if no one has )
3'27.00 / 26'30 ->
49.35
1'44.83
3k ???
12'36.64
3'27.00 / 26'25 ->
49.49
1'44.97
3k ???
12'35.05
i'm not putting in the 3k figures as this will give many posters here an irruption !!!
suffice to say :
if you believe the 400 / 800 & the 5k
( upto you about 5k, but he is capable of ~ this currently in "perfect" 5k drafted to 3k )
then the 3k is natural sequitur
however, someone else can put in those 3ks as it's not worth the 5 pages of drivel which woud follow from yoyos/clowns if i did
boegters wrote:
Every race result is a sample of a stochastic process, basically. Good luck finding the (non-constant) mean and (non-constant) variance tho.
This is obviously a fallacious appeal, but which one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy?
I think Geb has the better range than both Farah and Aouita because of his marathon WR. 3:31 for 1500 and 2:04.
Aouita is the fastest 800 runner to also be ranked number one in the 10,000 but remember Alan Webb had similar times from 800 through 10,000 (27:34 versus 27:25 for Aouita) Neither Webb or Aouita ever could have excelled at the marathon at the level Geb did but Farah could possibly move up and run 2:05.
If there was any incentive for Farah to race a serious 800 I think 1:44.9 is realistic right now but that isn't competitive these days,
If he did that now and went up the marathon and ran 2:05 that would solidify the greatest range ever.
Out of all of them only Aouita stands out in my mind as a runner in history capable in his era of winning a World or Olympic gold medal in the 800 up to the 10,000. If he wasn;t injured in 1988 he was a double threat in the 800 and 5000,. There has never been a runner like that.
Of course it was a weaker era but Aouita was the only runner that ever contemplated choosing between the 800, 1500, 5000, and 10,000 in an Olympic Games when he would have been the favorite in all 4 of those distances for a medal and the solid favorite for gold in the three longer distances.
Ummmm ever heard of Rod Dixon?