Watching the race...
Kiprop 24.5 last 200m.
Centro was actually with a brief lead by a nose with 400m to go. Earlier this season in Europe, he said he was tired & a bit overraced. Maybe the rounds took him past that fine line again. Even in rounds competition, he usually has more pop.
Kiprop really must be supremely confident. Awful tactics, awful positioning, but comfortable victory because he's just so much better than the second best over 1500m.
Only Mo Farah would have beaten him today.
Nice race wrote:
Only Mo Farah would have beaten him today.
Ha! :D
Willis, Centrowitz can take all the PEDs in the world but can't beat natural athletes like Kiprop who are gifted.
Nice race wrote:
Kiprop really must be supremely confident. Awful tactics, awful positioning, but comfortable victory because he's just so much better than the second best over 1500m.
Only Mo Farah would have beaten him today.
Hahahahaha! Oh, my sides!
ttc wrote:
Watching the race...
Kiprop 24.5 last 200m.
Centro was actually with a brief lead by a nose with 400m to go. Earlier this season in Europe, he said he was tired & a bit overraced. Maybe the rounds took him past that fine line again. Even in rounds competition, he usually has more pop.
What race are you watching?
His last 200m was 25.7 not 24.5!
Deanouk wrote:
ttc wrote:Watching the race...
Kiprop 24.5 last 200m.
Centro was actually with a brief lead by a nose with 400m to go. Earlier this season in Europe, he said he was tired & a bit overraced. Maybe the rounds took him past that fine line again. Even in rounds competition, he usually has more pop.
What race are you watching?
His last 200m was 25.7 not 24.5!
Looks like 25.9. According to the IAAF his last 300 was 38.02 - for the rest over the last 300:
Manangoi - 38.95
Iguider - 38.87
Makhloufi - 39.00
Kiplagat - 38.97
Willis - 39.49
Cheruiyot - 39.78
Centrowitz - 40.44
Grice - 40.22
Manzano - 40.33
Andrews - 41.16
Overall, from the 800 on up, there really is a need for year round testing everywhere btw, some things are just laughable. Not Kiprop, he's for real, but just overall, it's a farce. The E. African contingents would likely be decimated without most of their athletes literally being allowed to dope at will. Instead of 5 - 10 or more top contenders in every event at 800 on up they'd likely have 1 - 2, never mind the changes we'd see for other countries who currently enjoy protection and the ability to avoid true testing outside the competitive season. It's not going to happen until political changes occur, you can bet without fear that the doping from certain countries will actually increase, because they realize they have been given carte blanche : 0
I thought Kiprop really showed some kind of class in this. I think even though he laid back, he was doing what he felt he had to to give himself a chance to win (he's supposed to be feeling sick, right?) His teammates really helped him by controlling the race upfront - there were some good team tactics from the youngster Cheruiyot. Manangoi actually had a superb run too, he front ran a good part of the race, and he had the inside line pretty much the whole way until the final kick in the last 200.From the start Manangoi went right to the front, and Wote took up outside position. Cheruiyot was a bit late getting to the front, but I saw at around 250m in he motioned to Silas Kiplagat that he was trying to get to the outside, then he got to the front just as they crossed the line 300m in, and went wide alongside Wote around the bend before taking the lead around 400m. He led for the next lap at least, alongside Manangoi, running 2 wide like what happened in the 800m final. Even when he was leading he was off the rail, giving Manangoi the inside line. Silas Kiplagat was running on the outside of Centrowitz, he seemed to be keying off the other two and waiting for the right time to move. When Makloufi made a move up just before 700m, that got a response from Kiprop, but it wasn't a real definitive move from either of them. Makloufi stayed outside, Kiprop kinda glided along closer to the rail for the next lap. When Centrowitz made his first move just past 800m, both Cheruiyot and Manangoi pushed a bit to keep him wide. but Centrowitz was in a good position at 1000m, coming off the bend. Kiplagat, Makloufi and Iguider were moving up the outside, Kiprop was still in touch but not pushing to the front yet, pretty close to the rail behind Willis. That last lap was something. Just before the bell Centrowitz made another move for the lead, and when he cut in front of Cheruiyot he was in perfect position on Manangoi's shoulder - I wish the kid had held his ground a bit, Centrowitz deserves a spike or an elbow, the arrogant POS. Kiplagat was passed by Iguider, but he was on the rail, just in front of Willis as they went around the bend to 1200m, Makloufi on the outside, and Kiprop was still 8m or so back of the lead, maybe a bit less by the time they reached 1200m. Maybe he was that far back because he just wasn't feeling good? Right around the time Makloufi went to the lead, followed by Iguider, that when Kiprop started to close. He passed Wote, Willis, Centrowitz and Grice like they were standing still in about 50 m, and when he and Kiplagat both went around Manangoi I really thought he was done...But I think Kiplagat was already near maxed out, Kiprop went round him pretty easily on the final bend and was positioned well for the final straight...he really was head and shoulders above all the others in the last 200m. I thought Manangoi really closed well for second. But Kiprop's race was something, he was in control throughout, and made a decisive move at the right time.
ttc wrote:
Watching the race...
Kiprop 24.5 last 200m.
Centro was actually with a brief lead by a nose with 400m to go. Earlier this season in Europe, he said he was tired & a bit overraced. Maybe the rounds took him past that fine line again. Even in rounds competition, he usually has more pop.
Exaggerated Splits wrote:
Deanouk wrote:What race are you watching?
His last 200m was 25.7 not 24.5!
Looks like 25.9. According to the IAAF his last 300 was 38.02 - for the rest over the last 300:
Manangoi - 38.95
Iguider - 38.87
Makhloufi - 39.00
Kiplagat - 38.97
Willis - 39.49
Cheruiyot - 39.78
Centrowitz - 40.44
Grice - 40.22
Manzano - 40.33
Andrews - 41.16
Overall, from the 800 on up, there really is a need for year round testing everywhere btw, some things are just laughable. Not Kiprop, he's for real, but just overall, it's a farce. The E. African contingents would likely be decimated without most of their athletes literally being allowed to dope at will. Instead of 5 - 10 or more top contenders in every event at 800 on up they'd likely have 1 - 2, never mind the changes we'd see for other countries who currently enjoy protection and the ability to avoid true testing outside the competitive season. It's not going to happen until political changes occur, you can bet without fear that the doping from certain countries will actually increase, because they realize they have been given carte blanche : 0
How can you be so confident that Kiprop is clean and most of the other Kenyans are doping? Seems a strange thing to say, especially as Kiprops's agent is Federico Rosa!
I made Kiprop's last 300 38.0, same as IAAF. But the 200 is definitely 25.7.
He hits the 1300m mark in 3:08.4, which would suggest his last 200 is 26.0, but the clock on the screen has been 0.3 too slow all week. His torso crosses the line at 3:34.1, before clicking on by 0.3 to 3:34.40.
His last 200 was 25.7, last 100 was 13.2.
Deanouk wrote:
ttc wrote:Watching the race...
Kiprop 24.5 last 200m.
Centro was actually with a brief lead by a nose with 400m to go. Earlier this season in Europe, he said he was tired & a bit overraced. Maybe the rounds took him past that fine line again. Even in rounds competition, he usually has more pop.
What race are you watching?
His last 200m was 25.7 not 24.5!
I based it off the wrong line. After the 1300m line, there's another one shortly after (10K start??) that I looked at.
Really, being THAT dominant with a 25.9 speaks to the rest of the field- despite talk before of being loaded. In 2011, I'm pretty sure Centro's 3:36 Bronze saw him & others close in 51. No way even today's Kiprop could toy with that field. Take a look:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=78867EaVpKkseoulpurpose wrote:
I thought Kiprop really showed some kind of class in this. I think even though he laid back, he was doing what he felt he had to to give himself a chance to win (he's supposed to be feeling sick, right?) His teammates really helped him by controlling the race upfront - there were some good team tactics from the youngster Cheruiyot. Manangoi actually had a superb run too, he front ran a good part of the race, and he had the inside line pretty much the whole way until the final kick in the last 200.
From the start Manangoi went right to the front, and Wote took up outside position. Cheruiyot was a bit late getting to the front, but I saw at around 250m in he motioned to Silas Kiplagat that he was trying to get to the outside, then he got to the front just as they crossed the line 300m in, and went wide alongside Wote around the bend before taking the lead around 400m. He led for the next lap at least, alongside Manangoi, running 2 wide like what happened in the 800m final. Even when he was leading he was off the rail, giving Manangoi the inside line. Silas Kiplagat was running on the outside of Centrowitz, he seemed to be keying off the other two and waiting for the right time to move.
When Makloufi made a move up just before 700m, that got a response from Kiprop, but it wasn't a real definitive move from either of them. Makloufi stayed outside, Kiprop kinda glided along closer to the rail for the next lap. When Centrowitz made his first move just past 800m, both Cheruiyot and Manangoi pushed a bit to keep him wide. but Centrowitz was in a good position at 1000m, coming off the bend. Kiplagat, Makloufi and Iguider were moving up the outside, Kiprop was still in touch but not pushing to the front yet, pretty close to the rail behind Willis.
That last lap was something. Just before the bell Centrowitz made another move for the lead, and when he cut in front of Cheruiyot he was in perfect position on Manangoi's shoulder - I wish the kid had held his ground a bit, Centrowitz deserves a spike or an elbow, the arrogant POS. Kiplagat was passed by Iguider, but he was on the rail, just in front of Willis as they went around the bend to 1200m, Makloufi on the outside, and Kiprop was still 8m or so back of the lead, maybe a bit less by the time they reached 1200m. Maybe he was that far back because he just wasn't feeling good? Right around the time Makloufi went to the lead, followed by Iguider, that when Kiprop started to close. He passed Wote, Willis, Centrowitz and Grice like they were standing still in about 50 m, and when he and Kiplagat both went around Manangoi I really thought he was done...But I think Kiplagat was already near maxed out, Kiprop went round him pretty easily on the final bend and was positioned well for the final straight...he really was head and shoulders above all the others in the last 200m. I thought Manangoi really closed well for second. But Kiprop's race was something, he was in control throughout, and made a decisive move at the right time.
ttc wrote:Watching the race...
Kiprop 24.5 last 200m.
Centro was actually with a brief lead by a nose with 400m to go. Earlier this season in Europe, he said he was tired & a bit overraced. Maybe the rounds took him past that fine line again. Even in rounds competition, he usually has more pop.
I guess you missed the fact that a video was linked?
This race was faster than 2011 overall AND Kiprop closed FASTER than in 2011. Therefore the point is moot.
Leading didn't help here. Top guy through 400m dropped out, top guy through 800m finished 7th.
Leading might've helped Manangoi (sp?) but he relinquished his strong position from 250 to 100 to go. Don't think he was beating Kiprop either way, but it might not have been so dramatic to get the Silver.
asdfasd wrote:
This race was faster than 2011 overall AND Kiprop closed FASTER than in 2011. Therefore the point is moot.
Wrong.
Kiprop closed in :51 in 2011 & :52 in 2015, while running only 1 second faster overall. Closing in :51 off the 2011 pace is harder than :52 off the 2015 pace.
Exaggerated Splits wrote:
there really is a need for year round testing everywhere btw, some things are just laughable. Not Kiprop, he's for real, but just overall, it's a farce.
You think Kiprop ran 3:26 WITHOUT PEDS?????
I love naivete, but...