Turned on the tv as I was leaving for work. 18.21!!!!
Amazing! The second longest jump in history!!!
In Beijing WC terms that's nothing. Par for the course.
aduck2022, you're taking a long time...
High altitude of Beijing.
And Omar Craddock in 4th. Go Gators.
And just think - Taylor changed his take-off leg. WOW
If he was gambling on the board as he left a lot to spare on that jump...
What's even crazier is he changed his take-off foot and got even better...
Aw yeah! Go Christian Taylor!
Maybe now people will finally hop off the Pichardo bandwagon and start lauding the REAL DEAL: Christian Taylor!!!
go watch & watch again
he jumped best recorded jump in history by 14cm
( albeit chief-judge in atlanta reckoned Kenny had marginal foul at ~ 18.35
( & he never got any wind !!! ) )
someone must have whole atlanta meet on tape !
i always reckoned Kenny was best jumper in history
atlanta 18.09 was best basic jump in history until today
the man coud jump been trade-marked as human bounce-ball
Taylor only now looks close to Kenny as 2nd best jumper ever
( we need vid/wind of Kenny's alleged marginal 18.35 foul in atlanta )
Performance of the meet?
if only craddock got the bronze and claye and dendy made it to the final. Taylor now 3-1 against pichardo and 3 global titles. Arguably goat already at 26. Dendy fouled baaaaarely in the lj qualifying and then missed the final by his second best jump in the tj.
What about Edwards?
errr? wrote:What about Edwards?
edwards 2 biggest jumps are his :
1) 18.43 ( +2.4 ) in lille
2) 18.29 ( +1.3 ) in gothenburg
1) this windy 18.43 had 17cm shy = 18.60m
to convert to "basic", we assume a basic 60m of 6.60s as he was alleged fastest tj'er of all-time
to get 6.60s with wind of 2.4 at lille ( villeneuve ), the calculator gives :
( that is 6.517 ( + 2.4 ) at 21m altitude = 6.60 basic )
so initial conversion factor is :
6.517 / 6.60
however, the wind/altitude helps twice : once in run-up & 2ndly in jump phases
( wind ( + altitude ) still blowing during phases - it doesn't automatically stop at take-off ! )
therefore factor has to be squared
edwards toe-sand "basic" for his windy 18.60 was
18.60 * ( 6.517 / 6.60 )^2 =
2) his 18.29wr had 11cm shy
( not obvious from vid but he stated it in an iaaf article )
-> 18.40 toe-sand
to get 6.60s with wind of 1.3 in gothenburg, the calculator gives :
( that is 6.552 ( + 1.3 ) at 0m altitude = 6.60 basic )
edwards toe-sand "basic" for his 18.40wr was
18.40 * ( 6.552 / 6.60 )^2 =
this is no trickery
it is just coincindence that edwards 2 best jumps are identical when toe-sand & then wind/altitude adjusted !
now, the big moment :
Taylor 18.21 ( +0.2 !!! ) with 11.5cm shy :
therefore toe-sand of 18.325m
Taylor may not be as quick as edwards, so offer him 6.65 for 60m
( you can try it with 6.70 if you like : it is insignificant difference )
to get 6.65s with wind of 0.2 in peking
( 43.5m altitude from wiki ),
the calculator gives :
( that is 6.641 ( + 0.2 ) at 0m altitude = 6.65 basic )
Taylor's toe-sand "basic" for his 18.325 was
18.325 * ( 6.641 / 6.65 )^2 =
I find it hard to believe that Taylor is slower than Edwards. Edwards has a 10.48 100m best, while Taylor has run 20.70/45.17. When you are talking about 18.21 being better "intrinsically" than 18:43, you have to assume that the wind value is going to lead to a proportionally better jump, which is not necessarily the case and not in a predictable fashion, because you have to translate the speed into the jump with the proper control. 18.325 "toe-sand" versus 18.60 is a big difference to explain away. Incidentally, I also looked up the IAAF standards--it doesn't affect a ratio, though it may affect the speed that they may have been running a shorter distance than 60m on the runway--minimum length is 40m. Let's say that one accelerates faster than the other for a certain time and that another accelerates longer--their time at top speed is going to be relevant to wind resistance. With a 40-50m runup, they'd be at top speed very briefly. So, I think that you'd only get a good reading of their relative wind resistance/advantage with time/distance on the runway in the jump. With Harrison, here is his 18.09 jump. The only thing I'll say about that is that it didn't look incredible until the very end, because his technique of the last phase of the jump was fantastic--the last movement he made in the air appears to give him his entire margin of victory. Compare to some of the women's jumpers flopping back in the sand with their whole upper body at Beijing.
I wanted to add that Harrison was a 27'0" long jumper (8.23m), back in 1988 before his cartilage problems in 1992. He also hj'd 6'7" in hs in 1983. The fact that both Harrison and Taylor were much better long jumpers than Edwards (7.41!) suggests that they had more speed.
important stats for posterity
taylor can't bitch about being 11cm shy as edwards was same in his 18.29wr
however taylor had hugely worse wind which made his jump intrinsically 14cm superior to wr
anyhows worth noting
“Jumping to 18.21 I made really phenomenal first step (5.96+ 5.84 + 6.41)”
with 11cm shy ->
6.07 / 5.84 / 6.41
now, imo, ideal phases for tj are :
pi - 2 / 1 / pi - 2
0.3477 / 0.3046 / 0.3477
for an "ideal" 18.32, the phases, imo shoud be :
6.36 / 5.58 / 6.36
( no one will believe this, but jumpers like simpkins & lister jumped maybe 12.25 - 12.80 for 1st 2 phases but didn't control the jump phase which taylor can
He reminds me of Charlie Simpkins who I think was probably the most dangerous triple jumper ever to jump.
If he had learned how to triple jump correctly he would have gone 18.50m. Charlie could hop step into the pit from 42 feet (12.80m) but he never had them move the board back so he could get a good jump in. Charlie had terrible skill but incredible ability
contrary to taylor's opinion, i believe his 1st phase is too short
( probably consequence of switching legs because of injury )
his 2nd phase is too long
( because now using stronger leg for this phase )
but his 3rd phase seems about right
there is likely a same wind, toe-sand 18.50+ in taylor if he can push out more on 1st phase, reduces 2nd phase giving him more "prep/control" for jump
if he hadn't had to switch legs because of injury, he definitely wouda been jumping this 18.50
( & likely lot more )
toe-sand / nothing wind, now
Here are Edwards's 18.43/18.16/18.29 jumps.
On the 18.43, he just looks so strong on the run-up; the announcers say he'd been really working on his power that season. And he transitions through the hop and the skip with incredible fluidity as if he is hardly losing velocity, and incredible control. He does not extend way out and get everything possible out of the jump at the end in any of these triples, not in the way that Harrison did in 1996. And indeed, at Gothenburg, where he had the two WR's, he says later (see wiki) that he had more in the tank, that he could have gone as far as it took to win and didn't need to jump farther.