This gentleman gets it.
To the people saying that she could run like 3 or 4 seconds faster is the same as assuming Farah would be able to run 47 flat for 400m after that 50.8 last lap in a 14+ 5000m race. Vey very unlikely.
She probably does 2000m or 3000m repeats faster than those first 800m!
What were you expecting with a flying start from a girl with 3:50 after such jogging? Her 800m PR was probably also done in this race. Maybe 1 second less in a Diamond League paced race?
Doesn't 1500m always have three rounds? And WC is only 9 days. In any case triple is impossible. And winning the same event loads of times is more impressive anyway, imo. Like what Kemboi is doing.
rojo wrote:
So 1:56.92?? OMG!!!
No, it was not 1:56.92, more like 1:57.3. But since she has not run hard to the line, a sub 1:57 seems reasonable.
Obviously a sub 1:56 open 800m must be possible for her.
cxzc wrote:
Doesn't 1500m always have three rounds? And WC is only 9 days. In any case triple is impossible. And winning the same event loads of times is more impressive anyway, imo. Like what Kemboi is doing.
I disagree. I'd rather see someone win three events (non-relays) than the same person winning year after year. Solely because we've (in my lifetime) never seen it!
Of course everyone runs their 800 PR while smiling and windmilling their arms and not breathing hard.
Of course she can go faster in an open 800.
Still pathetic runs from Simpson and Rowberry. They got Jager-itis.
El Keniano wrote:
Faith Kipyegon gets no love here but she too is an amzing talent. Don't understand why those wondering which of Simpson or Rowbury would get the bronze were so dismissive of her. At least I got this ballot right in the BroJo's contest after disaster all around starting with the men's marathon.
Happy to see that there's someone who thinks the same as me. ;)
Ah looves Kipyegon!! So happy for her!!
Will Sifan Hassan double on 800 m?
Her answer in video interview:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=711586915638270&set=vb.578871805576449&type=2&theater
dwightarm wrote:
I disagree. I'd rather see someone win three events (non-relays) than the same person winning year after year. Solely because we've (in my lifetime) never seen it!
Would indeed be something very special but I can't see it happen in a 9 day WC with current rounds. But what I mean is that dominance over a long period of time is more impressive than e.g. winning 5k and 10k same year once. If one is the best runner then the double is not that special. What is special is repeating those performances year after year.
Winning three events, has that happened at the WCs ever? Obviously no relays are counted. I can only think of Emil Zátopek in 1952 winning the triple.
Not sure why everyone is so shocked by this close. Obviously incredibly impressive, but if she could close her world record in two flat, it's no surprise that she could run three seconds faster off of such a painfully slow early pace. I'm a lot more surprised that Kipyegon and Hassan were able to keep it somewhat close.
Hassan just said on Dutch TV she's very bummed out about letting Dibaba get away from her and having to chase her down. She can't stand losing, says she's in the best shape she's ever been in. I doubt she'll skip the 800.
El G and Abdi Bile have both closed slow 1500's in 1:46. I doubt either of them could have done better than 1:44 in an open 8.
Dibaba's 800 potential is 1:54 based only on her non-Monaco PR of 3:54. Accept the 3:50 and she ought to be capable of 1:52. It should surprise noone that she can close a slow 1500 3 to 5 seconds slower than her 800 potential.
osm wrote:
Not sure why everyone is so shocked by this close. Obviously incredibly impressive, but if she could close her world record in two flat, it's no surprise that she could run three seconds faster off of such a painfully slow early pace. I'm a lot more surprised that Kipyegon and Hassan were able to keep it somewhat close.
Tell them, man!!
That was disgusting. Did Rowbury and Simpson really think they could beat Dibaba by trotting around like miniature Clydesdales for 700 meters and then letting her take over?
If they were bent of setting the WR for racing stupidity, why not just put it out of reach for all time and run the wrong way around the track?
Kill me. Just kill me.
Bad Wigins wrote:
El G and Abdi Bile have both closed slow 1500's in 1:46. I doubt either of them could have done better than 1:44 in an open 8.
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On a par with many other Bad conjectures. Bile's 800m PB is 1:43.65.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Do you mean the 800-1500-5000 triple or the 1500-5000-10000 triple?
I meant the 800-1500-5k triple as her last 800 was so impressive tonight. But given the schedule below. I think I misspoke. Bring on the QUADRUPLE!!
cxzc wrote:
She is incredible but triple is nonsense. Can't recover for that, no matter the schedule. So happy she wins her first outdoor major.
She could do it if the schedule was in her favour. The heats are barely more than a training run for her.
Day 1: 1500 heats. simple
Day 3: 1500 final
Day 4: 5k heat. even after a 1500 final this is a walk in the park
Day 7: 5k final
Day 8: 800 heats. another training run
Day 9: 800 semi
Day 11: 800 final[/quote]
Add in the 10k on Day 2 and we've got the quadruple. Of course, she'd win the 10k, the only doubt I have is the 800.
Maybe the get IAAF to change the schedule.
Day 1- 10k
Day 2- 1500Heat
Day 3- 1500 final
Dday4-5k heat
Day 5 - Off
Day6-5kfinal
Day7-800 round
Day 8- 800 semis
Day 9- 800 final.
We really just need the IAAF to get rid of the 1st round of the 800.
The time of the last 800m was not exactly under 1'57". These are the official timing for the last 700m of the top 4 :
Genzebe 1'42"44 (57"22 + 45"22)
Faith 1'42"88 (56"97 + 45"91)
Sifan 1'42"48 (56"63 + 45"85)
Dawit 1'43"79 (56"83 + 46"96)
According the splits taken by Jama, Genzebe ran the 100m in the turn between 700m and 800m in 15"2 and, giving a similar time for all the leading Group, we can have these final 800m :
Genzebe 1'57"6
Faith 1'58"
Sifan 1'57"7
Dawit 1'59"
Personally, I'm more impressed by the last 800m of the 3 Young athletes following Genzebe. Among these 3, only Sifan Hassan tried sometimes a good 800m (she has a PB of 1'59"46), while Faith ran, 2 years ago, in a local Kenyan race, in 2'02"8.
Two considerations :
1) I don't understand the passive tactic chosen by Jenny Simpson and Rowbury. They can have good finals when the race is very fast only, and need to understand that, at the moment, this event is absolutely NOT comparable with the same event, 2 years ago. All the new African (including in the Group Sifan Hassan, who lives from 15 years in Nederland and started there her athletic activity) are by far very much stronger than the athletes running two years ago, especially are very much faster in shorter distances. To accepet a competition of 800m with 700m warm-up is for all the athletes who were able to run this year under 4' in fast races a big mistake. When athletes run in this way, can be for two opposite reasons only : or they FEAR the race, and start already beated, or they have the PRESUMPTION to be stronger than what they really are. In both the cases, with this mentality they can't be competitive at the level of big Championships
2) In the normal culture of Etiopia, and African generally, athletesd running 800m are specialists of this distance only, and is very unusual to see athletes of 1500m running 800m in big meetings. This is more eveident for Ethiopian than for Kenyan runners, but in any case is something common.
This fact induces to wrong analysis when we look at the effective talent of the athletes.
Tirunesh and Meseret Defar ran last lap of 5000m, years ago, in the IAAF final, in 56"6 - 56"7, and is not difficult to think they could already run 3'55" also with their normal preparation, if decided to run the distance.
The big change in Genzebe is to be part of a Group including many top athletes in the World, from different Countries (coached by Jama Aden), that had mainly their focus in 800 and 1500m. This means she included a type of quality in training, never used in Ethiopia.
3) It's very funny that, with Kenya under the lens of the antidoping, are ALL the other Countries now producing slower performances, while Kenya and Ethiopia continue to win showing, with Young athletes, growing personality and best times. When people, fanatic about doping without any real info, and induced to wrong considerations by scoops made by clowns, finally can understand that the human limit for clean athletes with top talen are, by far, very much higher than the current WR, maybe also athletes with less talent can finally reach their best possible performances. Till when they don't change mentality, they are the first limit for their own improvement.
Last thing : I can anticipate that, after WCh, Genzebe will run the first 800m of her life, looking at an aggressive competion with free mind, for checking her potentiality in the distance.
Simply idiotic. Hope this guy is joking.
Almost comparable to the 1993 Stuttgart 1500m with Liu Dong.
Here is an HD video of the race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJigR1qr8kU
I get
Dibaba 1:57,4
Kipyegon 1:58,0
Hassan 1:57,5