So Johnson-Thompson can't medal since she fouled 3 times in LJ and so she's jogging the 800? Give me a break.

The Ghost of Caesar wrote:

Rojo--

Believe it or not, not every thought that enters your dim head deserves to be posted on your message boards.

Let this be a lesson for rojo. And many others for that matter as well. No doubt he will learn nothing though and continue to be an attention whore as long as he lives.

rojo wrote:

Really? If you can't medal, quit?

79 for the first lap.

I know she has the individual LJ coming up but give me a break. Either drop out or keep trying.

She's had injury problems during the year and I'd imagine is trying to save herself for the LJ & not risk it.

Sprinters mentality as well. They are a different breed from distance runners. I was always doubling up doing the 400m or 400mH for my club despite being unable to sprint or hurdle. Meanwhile the sprinters were resting their legs up for the next race in a months time.

Great 800m from Jess though

Terrible thread

The Scot wrote:

I assume its rule 142 but the wording is a bit vague:

"Failure to Participate

(c) an athlete failed to compete honestly with bona fide effort. The

relevant Referee will decide on this and the corresponding

reference must be made in the official results.

Note: The situation foreseen in Rule 142.4(c) will not apply to

individual"

How could this be considered a bona fide effort?

All she has to do is run a 2:20 so she doesn't look like a whiney baby.

Bubbadeeboo wrote:

How could this be considered a bona fide effort?

That part of the rulebook is not applied. Remember Makhloufi?

Bubbadeeboo wrote:

The Scot wrote:

I assume its rule 142 but the wording is a bit vague:

"Failure to Participate

(c) an athlete failed to compete honestly with bona fide effort. The

relevant Referee will decide on this and the corresponding

reference must be made in the official results.

Note: The situation foreseen in Rule 142.4(c) will not apply to

individual"

How could this be considered a bona fide effort?

All she has to do is run a 2:20 so she doesn't look like a whiney baby.

I think its clause (a) - depends how you define 'participate'.

Bubbadeeboo wrote:

The Scot wrote:

I assume its rule 142 but the wording is a bit vague:

"Failure to Participate

(c) an athlete failed to compete honestly with bona fide effort. The

relevant Referee will decide on this and the corresponding

reference must be made in the official results.

Note: The situation foreseen in Rule 142.4(c) will not apply to

individual"

How could this be considered a bona fide effort?

All she has to do is run a 2:20 so she doesn't look like a whiney baby.

142 applies differently to combined events.

randomcoach wrote:

Bubbadeeboo wrote:

How could this be considered a bona fide effort?

All she has to do is run a 2:20 so she doesn't look like a whiney baby.

142 applies differently to combined events.

Not in a way that's relevant in this context, only with reference to subsequent events WITHIN the combined event.

The rule from the IAAF manual seems pretty vague but does not say that the shoe cannot be over and above the line--which is what may have occurred here--it has to touch the ground beyond the line--not clear it did that. It doesn't seem as if her foot made a mark.

Tie goes to the runner, I always say. Let her jump stand if there is not clear evidence that it was a foul, and it was a fine jump and would have probably validated my pick of her for a medal if it had stood and she had then competed all out the remainder of the time.

Competition

1. An athlete fails if:

199 RULES 184, 185

IAAF COMPETITION RULES 2014-2015

(a) he while taking off, touches the ground beyond the take-off line

with any part of his body, whether running up without jumping

or in the act of jumping;

Track is too slow to change rules in cases where technology can be used at Worlds and Olympics. Just measure from point of takeoff within a zone of 1m for LJ and TJ.

It is a terrible thread indeed because you would think track people would know the rules.

The USATF and NCAA rulebooks specifically state that starting a multi-event is considered participation- one does not have to compete in every discipline to do other events within the same meet.

Nothing beats an armchair quarterback. Thanks rojo.

Right with you, Rojo. I don't give a toss what event she may or may not be competing in later in the meet. She was selected, and accepted the selection, to represent her country in the heptathalon. When she lined up for the start of the 800m, she was representing her country. When you are representing your country, you give it your all. If you decide not to try, do it on your own time, when you are not representing anyone except yourself. Bad form, and disrespectful.

rojo wrote:

Really? If you can't medal, quit?

79 for the first lap.

I know she has the individual LJ coming up but give me a break. Either drop out or keep trying.

This is confusing. You are upset that she jogged the 800 and call her a quitter and then suggest that she drops out which is also quitting?

I'll guarantee there is not one multi-event athlete or coach who has a problem with what she did.

This is like a sprinter sitting around demanding every distance race start out at what they perceive to be an honest effort or all the athletes sitting around jogging are disrespecting their countries. Ironically, they would at least have more of a point than Rojo and his minions (with my apologies to the cartoon characters.)

Watching the BBC TV highlights hour now, you could quite clearly see the mark in the plasticine. She was visibly over the line.

Despite being a Brit, I tend to agree with Rojo. If not injured, and you are lining up on the start line, salvage some pride or go for a season's best. The long jump prelims are not until Thursday. 800m is not an injury risk, it's just tough while it's going on.

Jess is a goddess.

Dwayne wrote:

Right with you, Rojo. I don't give a toss what event she may or may not be competing in later in the meet. She was selected, and accepted the selection, to represent her country in the heptathalon. When she lined up for the start of the 800m, she was representing her country. When you are representing your country, you give it your all. If you decide not to try, do it on your own time, when you are not representing anyone except yourself. Bad form, and disrespectful.

I would imagine she was told not to push hard in the 800.

if that's the case, then it was legitimate. the image I saw showed nothing.