Official 2015 Worlds Men's 10,000 Discussion Thread

the most lamentable tragedy wrote:

Mo Farah isn't Gebrselassie and he isn't Bekele but my word he's good at running 10,000m.

Apart from those two, who could you really pick out from the history of the sport with the tools to beat him? There are a small handful of other greats like Tergat and Kipchoge that would make it a race, sure, but Farah's all round ability and credentials would probably still make him favourite.

Trolls aside, there seem to be people that are genuine in their conviction that 27 flat for 10,000m is slow. It's not. Runners weren't mugs before 1993. Again, a few freakish performances from a very small number of champions have skewed expectations.

Is that a joke?

Tergat would beat Farah with no problem at all. He practically tied with Geb in a kick in Sydney and has run 26:2x. He also actally bothered to try to run fast times. Farah has shown absolutely no "all around ability" to run close to or under 26:30. Kipchoge would beat him also I bet as would Sihine.

27:01 IS slow. It's almost a minute off the world record. Roughly, it's like a 13:00-13:05 5000. That wouldn't be so slow if he was doing it against stronger competition or if he was actually doing any of the work. But he wasn't and never does.

"It's not fair, Farah won again waaaaaah" (kicking and screaming on the floor) "He has no world records except the one we don't count, only world records count because medals can be beaten but nobody can subsequently beat a world record"

Rather than comparing the winning time to some vague standard of fast (I know it looks cool/smart/knowledgeable to be unimpressed but I guess everyone who enjoyed the race are just idiots), here is some relevant context.

World Championship 10,000m Winning Times:

1983- 28:01

1987- 27:38

1991- 27:38

1993- 27:46 (Gebreselassie)

1995- 27:12 (Geb)

1997- 27:24 (Geb)

1999- 27:57 (Geb)

2001- 27:53

2003- 26:49 (Bekele)

2005- 27:08 (Bekele)

2007- 27:05 (Bekele)

2009- 26:46 (Bekele)

2011- 27:13

2013- 27:21

By my count, Mo's time is only slower than Bekele (who still ran 30 seconds slower than his world record). Appreciate the race for what it is, a World Championship final.

Bad Wigins wrote:

His physiological manipulations, legal or not, are obvious in their effect to all but the blind. Every Kenyan in the race had what he lacked - a thin but visible layer of subcutaneous body fat. Mo maintains top fitness at an impossibly low body fat level. His body doesn't respond to starvation like a normal human's by shutting down and conserving energy. He represents yet another triumph of science over nature. There are others but he is the most extreme.

"Legal" thyroid supplementation is a wonderful thing.

No ethics.

You are sad wrote:

It's ironic of you to cry "ad hominem!" when that is your forte.

By the way, I think Rupp has an Oly silver at home...do you?

So, you make ANOTHER ad hominem attack?

I have made none at all. I am actually discussing THE RACE. You are discussing me. Speaking of irony.

The cry of the wounded fanboy: "duhhhhhhhwhat'syourPR?"

Pathetic.

In any legitimate pro sport fans discuss the athletes. Nobody says "where's YOUR championship ring" when someone says LeBron James had an off game.

Galen Rupp is a boss over 10,000m. This is a phenomenal resume from an American distance runner -

5th at 2015 World Championships

4th at 2013 World Championships

2nd at 2012 Olympic Games

7th at 2011 World Championships

8th at 2009 World Championships

13th at 2008 Olympic Games

11th at 2007 World Championships.

I feel for Bad Wiggins' dog wrote:

That poor mutt is in for another week of kickings.

POD.

Thread Summary wrote:

"It's not fair, Farah won again waaaaaah" (kicking and screaming on the floor) "He has no world records except the one we don't count, only world records count because medals can be beaten but nobody can subsequently beat a world record"

It was an excellent race by him. Both him and Rupp.

Wut... wrote:

This was Farahs biggest race and his best 10000 ever. 27:01 in humid China with a 54 close is as good as bekeles 10000s outside of 2008 where he cracked 13:00 the second half

This jogfest doesn't compare in any way to Bekele's great runs.

Just reading the thread. Fantastic to see Bad Wigins having a hissy fit....again. What's that now, Wigin's 6th hissy fit in a row, dating back to 2011 because Mo won a Gold Medal. Hahaha!

the most lamentable tragedy wrote:

Apart from those two, who could you really pick out from the history of the sport with the tools to beat him? There are a small handful of other greats like Tergat and Kipchoge that would make it a race, sure, but Farah's all round ability and credentials would probably still make him favourite.

You can't be serious.

If Mo Farah had been in one of Tergat and Geb's duels, he would have been toast. 26:1x ability is something he will never have.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

the most lamentable tragedy wrote:

Apart from those two, who could you really pick out from the history of the sport with the tools to beat him? There are a small handful of other greats like Tergat and Kipchoge that would make it a race, sure, but Farah's all round ability and credentials would probably still make him favourite.

You can't be serious.

If Mo Farah had been in one of Tergat and Geb's duels, he would have been toast. 26:1x ability is something he will never have.

When did Tergat ever run a 54 last lap?

What are you smoking wrote:

Wut... wrote:

This was Farahs biggest race and his best 10000 ever. 27:01 in humid China with a 54 close is as good as bekeles 10000s outside of 2008 where he cracked 13:00 the second half

This jogfest doesn't compare in any way to Bekele's great runs.

...except when it was faster than what he ran in 2005 and 2007?

You mean like that kind of comparison?

Wut... wrote:

Rupp has run 26:44, Tanui has run 26:49, karoki has run 26:52 and kamworor is the defending half marathon and cross world champion who ran 27:11 at altitude. This was Farahs biggest race and his best 10000 ever. 27:01 in humid China with a 54 close is as good as bekeles 10000s outside of 2008 where he cracked 13:00 the second half

Please! Bekele closed in 12:57 in 2003, beating the likes of Geb and Shihine.

Look at his other chamionship races ...

2003 - 26:49 last 5K in 12:57

2005 - 27;08 last 5K in 13:17 beating Shihine (12:47/26:39 pb) and Toritich (26:39 pb)

2007 - 27:05, last 5K in 13:22, again against Shihine

2008 - 27:01, last 5K 13:13, against Shihine and Kogo (26:35 and 27:01 road pb)

2009 - 26:46, last 5K 13:06, against Tadesse (26:39 and 58:22 pb) and Kemboi (26:30 pb)

This was about equal to Bekele's *least* impressive title race, against lesser competition.

Sorry, but Kamworor was running marathons, going WR pace for 35K in Berlin just last Sep. This was his first year back on the track since 2011 ... he simply isn't a track or 10K guy, with 58:44 and 2:06:12 PBs.

Not to mention how many times did Bekele go sub-27 (and sub 13 for that matter) on the circuit? And Farah has done it twice I think?

And the World XC titles ... sorry, but for me Farah still doesn't hold a candle to Bekele (this last bit more toward the guy talking about GOAT status).

Do people here actually run? 27:01-8 is less than 30 seconds off all these guys PRs in hot humid conditions. That is a very solid effort. I am pretty sure I have never set a PR in conditions over 70 degrees.

Tergat was a dominant cross country runner who tended to lose to the best of his era on the track. A better version of Kamworor. Nonsense to say he'd beat him with no problem. We don't know.

Kipchoge is a wonderful runner but has no 10,000m credentials. Sihine was a wonderful runner and a serial loser to the best of his era. Both would have challenged Farah, but Farah undoubtedly has a better CV.

13:00 isn't slow. How many championship/unpaced 5000m races are won under 13:00? You are not thinking this through.

I'd love to see Farah do some time trials on the circuit too, but let's not let our bitterness as fans that he isn't doing what we want cloud our judgement.

Farah has run 3:28 for 1500m (twice) and has won the last six outdoor global titles at 5000m/10000m. That's unprecedented.

TAA wrote:

When did Tergat ever run a 54 last lap?

Yeah Tergat was a 10000 meter runner.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

the most lamentable tragedy wrote:

Apart from those two, who could you really pick out from the history of the sport with the tools to beat him? There are a small handful of other greats like Tergat and Kipchoge that would make it a race, sure, but Farah's all round ability and credentials would probably still make him favourite.

You can't be serious.

If Mo Farah had been in one of Tergat and Geb's duels, he would have been toast. 26:1x ability is something he will never have.

When did Tergat or Geb run 26:1x?

rupp-certifed saladbar wrote:

"Legal" thyroid supplementation is a wonderful thing.

No ethics.

It's not thyroid meds, or Rupp would still be doing it. They seem to have found something else.

It will be a few years before the public finds out what it is, because everyone is still too busy moaning about blood dopers from 10 years ago. Mo probably doesn't blood dope, because he fails to hang with 63 pace. Early in this race they dropped a couple of 63's, strung the field out and he was well back and hanging by a thread from being gapped.

It's all a matter of power to weight ratio. Mo has no natural speed and couldn't outkick Matt Tegenkamp at a normal weight. Abnormally low weight made all the difference.