Official 2015 Worlds Men's 10,000 Discussion Thread

Give It a Rest wrote:

truedat, give it a rest. The Kenyans can't figure out a way to beat Farah, and the Ethiopians were pathetic. Mo's the best.

The Kenyans didn't even try. They were still running 65 second laps with a mile to go. Mo is the best because there's no one else.

Read slower man. I said this race was as good as bekeles Wc 10000s outside of or with the exception of Beijing 2008.

Bubbadeeboo wrote:

A competitive 27:01 with a 54 last lap in a hot and humid 10k (to beat a 58min halfer) certainly nudges him towards GOAT status.

It's not really hot and that much humid in Beijing right now.

skdjhfs;fq[sjdf wrote:

Wut... wrote:

. 27:01 in humid China with a 13:21 second half and 54 close is as good as bekeles 10000s outside of 2003 where he cracked 13:00 the second half

I think I've found the dumbest statement on LR ever unless you are paid by Mo's US fan club. You are comparing 1 lap, a fast lap, but one lap to the 2nd 1/2 of a 10K.

FTFY "Wut....."

I think the 13:20 2nd half might sound impressive in these conditions until you realize that Paris 2003 was in the middle of a major heat wave.

ALSO, 2008 Beijing they ran the 2nd half in 13:13 as well as the final 6k in 10:28 (13:05 pace). Today, that final 6k was 10:39 (13:19 pace)

Farah can't be considered GOAT until he closes the PR gap in Bekele. Right now there is no comparison in the 5k and 10k. No doubt that Farah is a great championship style racer, though.

I think it would serve better to look at the scalps Mo took, and the fact that there was a 35-second gap from 5th-6th, to justify claiming that he ran well.

mako wrote:

Bubbadeeboo wrote:

A competitive 27:01 with a 54 last lap in a hot and humid 10k (to beat a 58min halfer) certainly nudges him towards GOAT status.

It's not really hot and that much humid in Beijing right now.

No, but the air pollution is quite bad. Try running close to 27:00 breathing that air. Likely the reason someone with asthma, like Rupp, would require medical assistance after the race.

That poor mutt is in for another week of kickings.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Nahda wrote:

[quote]rojo wrote:

A great race. They made Farah work for it. This helps his legacy to win an honest won.

What was honest about this? It was another jogfest and he did ZERO leading. It's the same as every other Farah race so I don't understand how this does anything different to his legacy.

This^

What is so special about a 13:40 opening 5k?

The fact Rupp could hang is a perfect test showing the pace was too slow.[/quote

I'm pretty sure Rupp has the fastest PR in the field.

Since when did 27:0X become slow? . . . especially in hot, humid, smoggy conditions.

A very good run for Rupp considering a less than perfect season. He needs a perfect season and a perfect race to ever beat the best in a championship race but he can certainly compete when things are less than perfect.

14 314 Cameron LEVINS CAN CAN 28:15.19

15 1045 Hassan MEAD USA USA 28:16.30

16 1034 Shadrack KIPCHIRCHIR USA USA 28:16.30 SB

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http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6704350&page=5#ixzz3jYDPoPCL

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I expected to see Cam Levins in the front group, given his strong showing at the Commonwealth Games last year and an impressive double indoors. But the most glaring absence near the front was the lack of any Ethiopians.

Mo Farah isn't Gebrselassie and he isn't Bekele but my word he's good at running 10,000m.

Apart from those two, who could you really pick out from the history of the sport with the tools to beat him? There are a small handful of other greats like Tergat and Kipchoge that would make it a race, sure, but Farah's all round ability and credentials would probably still make him favourite.

Trolls aside, there seem to be people that are genuine in their conviction that 27 flat for 10,000m is slow. It's not. Runners weren't mugs before 1993. Again, a few freakish performances from a very small number of champions have skewed expectations.

No, but quite polluted wrote:

mako wrote:

It's not really hot and that much humid in Beijing right now.

No, but the air pollution is quite bad. Try running close to 27:00 breathing that air. Likely the reason someone with asthma, like Rupp, would require medical assistance after the race.

Brings to mind Steve Ovett at the 84 Los Angeles games. Collapsed from the air pollution.

Wut..... wrote:

Read slower man. I said this race was as good as bekeles Wc 10000s outside of or with the exception of Beijing 2008.

It's still a dumb statement. Bekele went sub 13 in a 10k AND against much better competition.

His overall body of work in the 10k is greater. Several runs under 26:30. Stronger competition. Can win in kick or a strong pace.

Farah has neither competition nor fast times. Sitting and kicking on guys that struggle to run under 27:00 is not doing anything.

How can you be the number #1 for years and never even TRY to run for fast times or records???

I don't understand how you don't consider this a great showing for Rupp, 27:08 for 5th with the lead pack till the bell and he beat 6th by 30 seconds. Realize hes an asthmatic the Beijing air is the worst possible conditions for him. Well done for Rupp.

Some of you posters are idoits

The winning time was 27:01, 3 guys did it, and Keninisa Bekele was the last to run a time that fast fast in a World Championship and he's the GOAT of distance running

It was 79 degrees w/ high humidity and poor air quality and the top 5 ran 27:01-27:08, THAT'S FANTASTIC on all their parts... People are saying the Kenyan's didn't push the pace enough, Tanui has run 26:49, Kamworor- 26:52, Karoki- 26:54, this performance today was undoubtably slightly stronger than their respective PR's, what more could they have pushed it? Even Rupp's 27:08 is worth close to his PR and he's been battling illnesses and has had to shift training and under race the is year, a 61 last lap? He only ran 4:00 a couple weeks ago, what did anyone expect?

Considering conditions, the Kenyan's DID push the pace, this 10k was probably closer than his last two global 10k wins, and Rupp DID have a good run, he still showed he can hang w/ the World's best, crushed the Ethiopians/Eritrians, and is the best 10k runner in American history

true dat bro hamage wrote:

That's why they think it was an honest race because the announcers said so.

I was watching it on Sport 1, a Russian channel, and they were trashing him. There is more to the world than just England and USA.

But setting aside doping or clean, after that cocky celebration in the last 20 meters I am disgusted by him as a human being, not just an athlete. He is completely disconnected from track fans yet expects fawning adulation wherever he goes, and thinks he can extract it by showboating to a crowd that isn't there. Shameless self-promoting attention-whore prima donna.

His physiological manipulations, legal or not, are obvious in their effect to all but the blind. Every Kenyan in the race had what he lacked - a thin but visible layer of subcutaneous body fat. Mo maintains top fitness at an impossibly low body fat level. His body doesn't respond to starvation like a normal human's by shutting down and conserving energy. He represents yet another triumph of science over nature. There are others but he is the most extreme.

big runner 6 wrote:

Hey rupp-certified saladbar:

You seem to know what is going on. Would you say this was a great performance for Rupp? Clearly he ran to the best of his ability and will likely continue to get worse at 10000m. 5th and not even close to a medal is probably the best you could ask of him. What do you think?

You're trolling me, but...

It was a great run for him!

27:0x in those conditions, within strides of Kamworor and Tanui, is clearly impressive. Although it also shows that these guys were running below their ability. Rupp is not near the top three in flat 10,000 speed but hung very tough. In the heat that was basically a PR-quality effort for him.

He's a great kicker off of a slower pace, or even within a hard wind-up like many of his long 800m drives, but like anyone he's not going to have that when he's redlined and anaerobic. As a 26:44 guy, in a race nearing that pace he hits the bell in a different state than runners with 26:2x-263x ability, which all of these medalists have.

He was in a different class with those guys in the front five, so the last lap was never going to happen for him. Don't know why the British commentators thought it might.

Really can't fault him for anything about the race.

zephito wrote:

I win the 10K predictions! All 3 medals.

Easiest prediction in the meet.

zephito wrote:

I'm guessing Rupp is probably on the downside of his career. Still a great 10k runner, but he would have had silver in this race 3 years ago.

No. He would have been just as maxed out, and not able to deploy a kick. Same as today. Great run, though.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

you are sad wrote:

you need help. you're obsessed

Weak. Ad hominem attacks, no argument made.

Because the truth is clear.

The argument is that you spend way too much time on a message board anonymously bashing Rupp. It's ironic of you to cry "ad hominem!" when that is your forte.

By the way, I think Rupp has an Oly silver at home...do you?