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Hey buddy, think of it this way - it's similar to a free ride when you've already paid.
Wiki says
Irony is a figure of speech in which words are used in such a way that their intended meaning is different from the actual meaning of the words. It may also be a situation that may end up in quite a different way than what is generally anticipated. In simple words, it is a difference between the appearance and the reality.
As the language evolves words change in meaning because of usage . . . and yes even if the usage is incorrect or arrived at by convoluted logic. In todays usage IRONIC simply means did not turn out as you planned...and most people do not plan to have in rain on their wedding day.
Alanis = screeching banshee
I think that song did a lot then to change the meaning of that word.
Every single situation in that song is not irony.
So it is a bit ironic that a song intended to use irony did pretty much the opposite.
The only thing ironic about that song is the title.
Probably one of the most mis-used words in the language.
Similar to the most over-used word - "surreal". Why is everything suddenly "surreal" to people who just discovered the word?
It's like making a point . . . that's been made a million times before.
I went to a wedding once where it trained all day long.
To make matters worse, there wasn't a single knife at any of the tables during the meal although, ironically, there were literally thousands of spoons.
Planis wrote:
The only thing ironic about that song is the title.
The point of the song is to be meta-irony. It is ironic that the song is called "Ironic," but none of the examples given in the song are actually ironic. This goes over the head of most listeners.
She's Canadian.
Maybe it's Canadian irony.
Their bacon is different.
Maybe the lyrics imply-- but don't explicitly state-- you were marrying the Sun God(ess).
She may be reading this. She ran a marathon a few years ago.
McWord wrote:
Probably one of the most mis-used words in the language.
Similar to the most over-used word - "surreal". Why is everything suddenly "surreal" to people who just discovered the word?
That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Your welcome.
Flungle wrote:
I went to a wedding once where it trained all day long.
To make matters worse, there wasn't a single knife at any of the tables during the meal although, ironically, there were literally thousands of spoons.
I went to a wedding where it rained all day and the song Ironic played on repeat. Now, that's ironic.
wish it would rainTemptations wrote:
Wiki says
Irony is a figure of speech in which words are used in such a way that their intended meaning is different from the actual meaning of the words. It may also be a situation that may end up in quite a different way than what is generally anticipated. In simple words, it is a difference between the appearance and the reality.
As the language evolves words change in meaning because of usage . . . and yes even if the usage is incorrect or arrived at by convoluted logic. In todays usage IRONIC simply means did not turn out as you planned...and most people do not plan to have in rain on their wedding day.
Nope.
To be ironic it would have to be a situation where the wedding planners specifically tried to avoid the rain and the reality turned everything on its head.
For example, plan the wedding for August rather than June to avoid rain. Then June is sunny every weekend and your August wedding gets drenched. That would be ironic.
But if it simply rains when you did not want it to or expect it to is not ironic in any way.
No Purrz wrote:
wish it would rainTemptations wrote:As the language evolves words change in meaning because of usage . . . and yes even if the usage is incorrect or arrived at by convoluted logic. In todays usage IRONIC simply means did not turn out as you planned...and most people do not plan to have in rain on their wedding day.
Nope.
To be ironic it would have to be a situation where the wedding planners specifically tried to avoid the rain and the reality turned everything on its head.
For example, plan the wedding for August rather than June to avoid rain. Then June is sunny every weekend and your August wedding gets drenched. That would be ironic.
But if it simply rains when you did not want it to or expect it to is not ironic in any way.
Ironic (it isn't) that you are holding the poster to the traditional definition as he opines that language is fluid. He indicates the vehicle of change is common usage and currently the definition has devolved to be the simplistic idea something did not turn out as planned.
There may be a level of irony in the fact that the poster references a song by The Temptations I WISH IT WOULD RAIN, and another poster named * follows by saying. . . that song did a lot... referencing the Morissette song Ironic that was alluded to by a different poster..
Only pseudo-intellectual hipsters think Alanis got it wrong.
Irony: situation, event, etc that is desirable in itself but so unexpected or ill-timed that it appears to be deliberately perverse
See also: rain on wedding day, free ride when already paid, 2, 4, 5, etc.
Wrong. There is nothing the definition that says you have to go to extraordinary lengths to prevent something bad from happening.
Rain on day you went hiking: sucks, but not ironic
Rain on a day you went to the beach: sucks, but not ironic
Rain on what you hope to be the best day of your life: ironic (in the deliberately perverse sense, not in the meaning the opposite sense)