Anyone else actually encouraged by Times of London/ARD Doping Report?

klubkip1 wrote:The Flo Jo syndrome is still alive and well.

Flo Jo was great for the sport, if you are the IAAF. That's all that really matters.

I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone after the initial Russian revelations.

This is about Russian and Kenyan DISTANCE RUNNERS. What does it have to do with Flojo? There is NO evidence (including her autopsy) that Flojo ever cheated and to my knowledge, no athlete coached by Bob Kersee has ever tested positive for anything.

It's not like authorities are not catching Kenyans. About as many Kenyan marathoners have tested positive in the last 2-3 years as all the Jamaican or American sprinters that have EVER tested positive all the way back Ben Johnson. There are so many DISTANCE RUNNERS cheating that the drug testers can't keep up with them. And there are DISTANCE RUNNERS like Coe going around the world trying to cover up the whole mess as fast as they can.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/dark-cloud-of-doping-hanging-over-kenyan-athletics-1.1996620

The absolute pieces of trash that is killing track and field are DISTANCE RUNNERS, and it is DISTANCE RUNNERS that need to face the music.

Don't blame sprinters for YOUR problem.

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 100m-400m including hurdles, any field event, any jump event since 1992.

Any time under 9.85, 19.7, 44 is highly suspect.

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 800m-10,000m since 1992.

Any time under 1:43, 3:30, 12:50, 26:50 is highly suspect.

Marathon wise, it's pretty clear that anything under 2:05 is not natural.

Uhh, problem here. How many years has the Kenyan distance domination gone on? That's thanks to EPO. No one tested positive until the house of cards finally collapsed.

Again, IF the IAAF had tested at all, as Seppelt's work restates, the IAAF knew they were doping. Since the IAAF's testing is so light, anything goes.

Yes, they can. That's the point of Seppelt's latest work. It's really a continuation of the Russian scandal from a few months ago. Not anything particularly new, just some depth/details.

Yeah, actually it's the federation. And sprinters are infamous for doping. Again, if the IAAF were actually serious about athletes not doping, they need to grant WADA the authority to open cases. Then I think we'd see less doping overall, not pitting various specialties against each other.

coach d wrote:

The absolute pieces of trash that is killing track and field are DISTANCE RUNNERS, and it is DISTANCE RUNNERS that need to face the music.

Don't blame sprinters for YOUR problem.

Stick to sprinting, where everyone is clean.

pop_pop! wrote:

klubkip1 wrote:The Flo Jo syndrome is still alive and well.

Flo Jo was great for the sport, if you are the IAAF. That's all that really matters.

I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone after the initial Russian revelations.

We all know UCI covered Lance Armstrong at least in one occasion (for sure more…) during Tour de Suisse, just because the "Armstrong brand" was a very powerful way for UCI to make money in the US.

Now the more spectacular results we have, the more people like and watch athletics. Who’s so fool to believe IAAF doesn’t have exactly the same incentives?

Incidentally, the boom of middle distance first (late 90s-early 00s), and marathon then, happened exactly with the widespread of blood doping. Canova can say whatever he wants (even Michele Ferrari writes on 53x12.com that he never doped nobody), but distance running if full of athletes on EPO.

cum lingnam in maxillam wrote:

A report that tells us Bolt and Farah are clean is very encouraging indeed

The fact that you think the report not pointing to Bolt or Farah being involved is what is discouraging.

You really think the top male sprinter and distance runner on the planet don't have far sophisticated programs that make a mockery of Kenyans getting jabbed with a needle in a Nairobi doctors hut?

Dude, come on man.

Salvatore wrote:

cum lingnam in maxillam wrote:

A report that tells us Bolt and Farah are clean is very encouraging indeed

The fact that you think the report not pointing to Bolt or Farah being involved is what is discouraging.

You really think the top male sprinter and distance runner on the planet don't have far sophisticated programs that make a mockery of Kenyans getting jabbed with a needle in a Nairobi doctors hut?

Dude, come on man.

They don't need a sophisticated program as much as the support of the IAAF to never test positive. The rumor is that was the only reason for testing inside Jamaica. When athletes would leave Jamaica they would be known to test non-positive.

Stop the nonsense you piece of shit. Almost all the Jamaican athletes that tested positive tested positive in Jamaica. Now how the hell does that fit into Jamaica hiding positives.

You guys are simply morons, you have Jamaica throwing off their top athletes missing Pre-Olym and Pre- WC camps and you still believe that we have doping program down here. Its quite laughable really.

For the last time Jamaican athletes and the powers that be that run the sport down here hate each other because the athletes feel they get no support. You have athletes leaving to run for Bahrain and Turkey.

qwdeqwewd wrote:

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 100m-400m including hurdles, any field event, any jump event since 1992.

Any time under 9.85, 19.7, 44 is highly suspect.

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 800m-10,000m since 1992.

Any time under 1:43, 3:30, 12:50, 26:50 is highly suspect.

Marathon wise, it's pretty clear that anything under 2:05 is not natural.

I agree that certain times are suspect, but they are not impossible naturally. Seeing large numbers of people produce certain times however raises suspicion. The fear of better testing is why the numbers of sub 13 runners and sub 27 runners has dive-bombed. However, people in locations where out of season testing can be more easily avoided still reap some benefit from using drugs during their build up, something which a lot of people who have to put up constant testing can't do as well if at all.

I think you are being too conservative by using 1992 as the imaginary line of demarcation. The cheating in earnest likely began at the Games in 1988 with Dr. Rosa and crew providing us from 1987 on with a Kenyan team that literally tripled its numbers of contenders in events from 800 - marathon, and then the numbers increased from there. EPO is easy to buy all over the world. Heck, there are all sorts of discussion boards on the net for different sports that list dealers for different types of PED's.

There probably are natural medal winners in the middle and long distance events since 1988, but not many, and I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of E. Africans were doped, much to the chagrin of the PC police.

tooshort wrote:

Stop the nonsense you piece of shit. Almost all the Jamaican athletes that tested positive tested positive in Jamaica. Now how the hell does that fit into Jamaica hiding positives.

You guys are simply morons, you have Jamaica throwing off their top athletes missing Pre-Olym and Pre- WC camps and you still believe that we have doping program down here. Its quite laughable really.

For the last time Jamaican athletes and the powers that be that run the sport down here hate each other because the athletes feel they get no support. You have athletes leaving to run for Bahrain and Turkey.

Go away you PC wanker.

pop_pop! wrote:

Salvatore wrote:

The fact that you think the report not pointing to Bolt or Farah being involved is what is discouraging.

You really think the top male sprinter and distance runner on the planet don't have far sophisticated programs that make a mockery of Kenyans getting jabbed with a needle in a Nairobi doctors hut?

Dude, come on man.

They don't need a sophisticated program as much as the support of the IAAF to never test positive. The rumor is that was the only reason for testing inside Jamaica. When athletes would leave Jamaica they would be known to test non-positive.

Bro, I agree - but its a combination of both and this article refers to Bolt by name as not having abnormal blood results and the doctors analyzing the bloods had nothing to do with the IAAF. My point is that some idiots out there will wipe the sweat off their brows and proclaim with a sense of misguided satisfaction that the most popular and celebrated athlete maybe ever (Bolt) is a poster child for what is right about the sport when he is the biggest f$#king walking comedy act alongside Justin Gatlin since Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson. As for Farah - just remember - he and the rest of that sh$thead Saladbars athletes have "never broken WADA code". No you haven't - but this doesn't mean you have been pumping EPO, testosterone, adrenaline, thyroid meds into yourselves since god knows when.

I'm encouraged that that blood testing works and they scientifically able to ID athletes with abnormal blood values. I'm discouraged that the IAAF has chosen not to act on the information but instead just sit on it. An organization breaking its own rules.

So wejo is "encouraged" by 55 gold medals in endurance track events?? And those are only the ones without sophisticated lab backup, who are able to microdose out of "suspicion". Add in also the steroids, hgh, peptides and other non-"blood value" PEDs and you are looking at HUNDREDS of gold medals. Our sport is stinking to High Heaven.

I see no problem in track and field we have measures in the NFL that clearly stop PED abuse if the IAAF would ask for our assistance we could help implement an air tight drug testing protocol....

qwdeqwewd wrote:

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 100m-400m including hurdles, any field event, any jump event since 1992.

Any time under 9.85, 19.7, 44 is highly suspect.

1992? Try 1962.

For 30 years the 100m WR was stuck at 10.2, then suddenly over the space of a decade it drops to 9.95. Then amphetamines get banned and for the next 30 years all the steroids in the world couldn't shave more than 2 hundredths off of it. Whatever got it moving again after that wasn't steroids.

Anything under 10, 20, or 45 is likely dirty.

qwdeqwewd wrote:

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 100m-400m including hurdles, any field event, any jump event since 1992.

Any time under 9.85, 19.7, 44 is highly suspect.

There has not been a completely natural Olympic medalist at 800m-10,000m since 1992.

Any time under 1:43, 3:30, 12:50, 26:50 is highly suspect.

Marathon wise, it's pretty clear that anything under 2:05 is not natural.

So, you're saying that Willis and Manzano are dopers?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Anything under 10, 20, or 45 is likely dirty.

You wouldn't know.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Anything under 10, 20, or 45 is likely dirty.

You wouldn't know.

Hi Jeff.

This must have been a bad weekend for you, huh?

LOL!