Which UK athlete in any of the men running events (incl hurdles/steeple) has any chance of being top 8 (other than Mo)?
They will be sending a pretty small team.
Team of one.
Does it really warrant to have a whole track federation to take care of one athlete?
...in the field events, they can send Rutherford.
That will give Mo a bit of company at least. He won't have to eat alone...
Fvfvttfvtvftvvtf wrote:
Jonestonethefirst wrote:He ran against the worlds best (mo farah and co) a few weeks ago and came almost last.
Yes, he did.
..and your point is?
Some guy above said he needs a chance at running against world class athletes.... he already has
Half way split wrote:
Fwxfxywwxyfddwfxy wrote:That's faster than Levin's SB...
Oh well...
Why are you getting excited about a guy who can barely run the first 5K split of the best 10k Runners on the planet?
How about the ones not on the planet?
Is there some Mars WC's?
Fvfvttfvtvftvvtfss wrote:
Fvfvttfvtvftvvtf wrote:Yes, he did.
..and your point is?
Some guy above said he needs a chance at running against world class athletes.... he already has
Ok, then...
The UK should only send 2 male athletes to the WC. Mo and Rutherford. All the other ones are embarrassing really... and they know it...
Actually, Rutherford doesn't have a chance at a medal. Why waste a flight over to China. He's also pretty crap. It's just going to be embarrassing to see him be so far from a medal. Just send Mo...
wow that sucks
Let's look at the UK qualifiers, together with their world ranking (and the top 8 hope). I'm excluding Mo. Clearly, he should be on the team
100: Ujah 18, Kilty 39, Dasaolu 67!!!!!
200: Hughes 14, Talbot 43
400: Dunn 34, Yousif 30
800: Rimmer 52, Langford 58
1500: O'Hare 25, Grice 30
5000: Farrell 16
110H: Clarke 30
400H: Flannery 31
LJ: Rutherford 5, Bramble 15
PV: Lewis 63!!
HJ: Grabarz 34
Hammer: Miller 14, Dry 21
Not qualified: Vernon 30
According to their ranking, only Rutherford is ranked in the top 8.
Only Hughes 14, Miller 14, Bramble 15 and Farrell 16th are top 16
3 other guys are ranked better than 30th.
The top 8 objective is clearly BS, otherwise the UK would only be sending 2 men.
Vernon has the 10th best world ranking... Right in the middle of the pack. Half of the qualified athletes have rankings below Vernon's.
Two men on the team have world ranking in the 60s... Top 8??? Sure...
VERNON SUCKS
I don't think most of you guys realize that pretty much every runner who has run the IAAF standard (13:23 and 27:45) around the world regardless of country will be at the World Champs (besides countries like Kenya/Ethiopia/US that are a lot more competitive)
Why can't Vernon go? Cause he can't medal? So if you don't think you can medal you shouldn't even show up to the WC's and we should only have 6 people in every event?
He's rightfully run both standards, in the process a decisive 13:20 (13:11 PR) win in Belgium and a 27:42 win over Ben True (13:02 man) at Stanford
Isn't Tom Farrell (13:10) running the 5k? I don't see how he should have any more of a reason to go than Vernon...
There's absolutely no harm in trying to bring a whole team to Beijing, and it's not like UK is riding on a budget, it's UK for crying out loud, there's absolutely no harm in letting Vernon run
I'm not a huge Vernon fan at all, but I just don't see the reason in not letting him run if he worked hard for it and got his standard
NOP Skeptic wrote:
I'm not a huge Vernon fan at all, but I just don't see the reason in not letting him run if he worked hard for it and got his standard
Seeing those rankings and the others that are going, I agree.
Perhaps they are keeping him out due to character, but that's not a good reason.
With all of the recent doping news, and what we know is happening in Oregon and Kenya, not to mention EPOpia - Vernon is possibly one of the best clean 10k runners on the circuit at the moment. He had a form slump due to trying his best to compete with cheats, he shouldn't be punished for this, nor for speaking his mind and questioning questionable behaviour. Having a massive, pale, clean dude with a personality lining up in Beijing can't be bad for the sport.
clean wrote:
Vernon is possibly one of the best clean 10k runners on the circuit at the moment.
That is total BS.
With his attitude, Vernon is more likely to be a drug cheat than anyone else.
Half way split wrote:
Fwxfxywwxyfddwfxy wrote:That's faster than Levin's SB...
Oh well...
Why are you getting excited about a guy who can barely run the first 5K split of the best 10k Runners on the planet?
Please give me a list of all those runners capable of running 26,40 at the moment. Last year nobody did.
di2 wrote:
Look at it from UKA point of view and it's easy to see why he wasn't selected. They want athletes capable of a top 8 finish. Maybe their selection policy is bullshit but it is what is. Harsh but fair.
If every nation took this view then there would only be eight athletes in every event.
A large part of the attraction of major championships is seeing athletes having to cope with rounds and the chance that someone unfancied might just break through/win a medal.
UKA is run by idiots.
Jonestonethefirst wrote:
He ran against the worlds best (mo farah and co) a few weeks ago and came almost last.
Matthew Centrwoitz just ran a race where he finished almost last.
Should the US take him off of the 1500m team?
The US is sending Ben True in the 10,000 who sits behind Andy Vernon on the world list.
Why give athletes like True a free pass to finish one place higher at the World Championships?
After a snub like that one could understand if Vernon looked for a nation that would welcome him and he might be more proud to represent. I imagine he could get citizenship with a country like Somalia in time to compete for them at the 2016 Olympics. I think it's only fair that he should be given an opportunity to realize his dreams and you can't fault the guy for pursuing them through a country who would put him in a healthier professional environment.
Drdrrdrttrrftrrdrdrr wrote:
He's ranked 27th in the world at 10,000 this year (2nd ranked GBR). Seven of the men ranked before him are from Kenya and nine of them are from Ethiopia.
He's in good shape.
What is GBR looking for?
This might sound sort of conspiracy theory but Vernon has had his spat with Mo. Salazar can't stand his boys being dissed, and is probably in cahoots with Coe and the British Athletic Federation/not to mention Nike backing and big $$$$, so they had a little conference call and said, nope Vernon's not going no matter what he does. End of story.
Martyn Rooney wins his appeal
"Steeplechaser Lennie Waite and 10,000m runner Andy Vernon last week lost their appeals over being omitted."
Let's look at it another way.
Let's look at where he ranks, considering 3 per country plus wildcats, compared to the top in the other running events (excluding Mo)
200m top guy ranks 11th
100m top guy ranks 13th
5000m top guy ranks 14th
10000m Vernon ranks 17th
1500m top guy ranks 22nd
400m top guy ranks 25th
110H top guy ranks 25th
400H top guy ranks 27th
Didn't even checking the 800m, but he must be 40th+
So really only 3 guys on their track (other than Mo) rank better than Vernon
Hughes, Ujah and Farrell...
Out of 14 guys who are doing running events.
11 of these 14 (going to WC) rank behind Vernon...
How the heck did he lose his appeal?
Basically, if you don't allow Vernon in. We should only see Mo, Hughes, Ujah and Farrell on the track from the UK in August...