Pascal only works with Evan on his technique and intermittent steeple workouts closer to peak form. I can assure you that it is all done under the watchful eye of Uncle Jerry. I'm not sure where/how you guys come up with such false information.
Pascal only works with Evan on his technique and intermittent steeple workouts closer to peak form. I can assure you that it is all done under the watchful eye of Uncle Jerry. I'm not sure where/how you guys come up with such false information.
malmo wrote:
No his light build is exactly what you need to run the steeplechase.
So you were wrong about Leslie but you're going to be right about Bayer.
I doubt he will break 8:05, and his potential is much greater in the 10k, provided he could do the training for it.
Bayer has ZERO potential at 10k.
Taking the steeple out of the equation, I think he's got great 5k potential. Didn't he run 13:30 solo at Stanford as a junior at IU? At that point I considered him a 3k/5k guy. That was at least 3 years ago, let's assume he can run AT LEAST 13:20 now.
I believe he was NCAA runner up in the 3k which reinforced that feeling of him as 3/5 guy and even when he won the NCAA 1500 I thought it had more to do with his insane talent and competitiveness (and a somewhat weak field) than him finding his event.
That said, he wasn't ever a fantastic XC guy so maybe 3000m is the right distance for him (assuming he's a 3:34/13:20 guy, that makes sense).
He was ncaa 1500 champ and 4th at the trials in 2012 before the 3:34 in 2013. He is wasting his time in the steeple. If he didn't spend the last two years jumping into water he should be a 3:32 guy and tapering for Beijing now
How about Solinsky 12:55/12:55/12:56/26:59, Teg 12:58? Are those times notable? And Jager is coached by Jerry.
Of course--the athlete and the coach are ignorant sad sacks. Good to know.
Asdfbn wrote:
He was ncaa 1500 champ and 4th at the trials in 2012 before the 3:34 in 2013. He is wasting his time in the steeple. If he didn't spend the last two years jumping into water he should be a 3:32 guy and tapering for Beijing now
What is the ideal steeple body? Jager? Legs as long and willowy as his hair?
Asdfbn wrote:He was ncaa 1500 champ and 4th at the trials in 2012 before the 3:34 in 2013. He is wasting his time in the steeple. If he didn't spend the last two years jumping into water he should be a 3:32 guy and tapering for Beijing now
Interesting. Should he only be outkicking Manzano, or should he also be outkicking Andrews and Centrowitz?
Rapunzel wrote:
What is the ideal steeple body? Jager? Legs as long and willowy as his hair?
My goodness, how poetic. Reminds me of Rapunzel (high above the barrier), or even better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0kszci6GRYespecially 1:40 in. "Let down your hair and let me climb up the ladder of your luuuve..."
Leslie & Forys seem to have stalled at 8:20-8:25.
Stanley Kebenei is at 8:23 but is already 26 coming out of college.- and he's the antithesis of the long-legged steeplechaser.
Cabral, Bayer, Leslie & Kebenei face off this Thursday in Stockholm.
In a race like this years he would have beaten them both. He beat Andrews in the trials when Andrews was a 3:34 guy and only a year removed from his best closing speed.
Are you blind???? wrote:
Terrible?!
Mo- pan am 10k champ
Hill- usatf 5k champ
Jager- usatf 3kst champ
Huling- usatf 3kst bronze
Lomong- 7.41 for 3k
Derrick- 3x usatf XC champ
Flanagan- 10k wc's team
Infeld- 10k wc's team
***what more do you want to be counted as a success in 2015?!?!
I'm not suggesting it's terrible as a whole as I don't believe that at all.....but Lomong running 7:41 voids your opinion if you think that is even remotely a good time for him.
Derrick won 3x this year in XC? Yea.....
malmo wrote:
Bayer has ZERO potential at 10k.
Anybody who runs 13:32 for 5000m a month after turning 21 has some potential at 10,000m. This is elementary...
jeezus wrote:
Anybody who runs 13:32 for 5000m a month after turning 21 has some potential at 10,000m. This is elementary...
No it is not "elementary". Running xx:xx time in one event doesn't indicate potential in the next higher/lower event. Bayer is a natural 1500/3000m runner (not an 800/1500 man) The 5000m is the high end of his range.
Natural range wrote:
jeezus wrote:Anybody who runs 13:32 for 5000m a month after turning 21 has some potential at 10,000m. This is elementary...
No it is not "elementary". Running xx:xx time in one event doesn't indicate potential in the next higher/lower event. Bayer is a natural 1500/3000m runner (not an 800/1500 man) The 5000m is the high end of his range.
Actually Bayer is not one to be categorized by simple minds.
PBs
800m 1:48.97
1500 3:34.47
1 Mile 3:52.90
3000m 7:43.84
3000m SC 8:18.08
5000m 13:32.74
"I'm not suggesting it's terrible as a whole as I don't believe that at all.....but Lomong running 7:41 voids your opinion if you think that is even remotely a good time for him.
Derrick won 3x this year in XC? Yea....."
- yes, this was Derrick's 3rd consecutive usatf championship this year. Very strange response to not seem to have grasped that fact. Perhaps you're not a xc fan?Further, not sure how a 7.41 for Lomong negates anything, let alone a personal opinion? I'm not even sure that's possible. Besides, it's a solid performance in a down year for Lonong. Lopez has spent a significant amount of time traveling this year with his book, as well as spending even more time with his wife. Look, I get it. You're a bored kid with very little grasp on track history or what being an elite entails/involves. You only know what you've read on the internet over the last couple of years that you've been interested in the sport. That's fine. No harm there. That's par for the course here at letsrun. However, as you're obviously very young, I'll tell you this: you certainly are not going to get very far in life denigrating others or stomping around without your facts straight or a bit of specific knowledge/experience behind your statements. People don't respond well to that. They just don't. Now, I'm quite certain that you won't respond well at all to this addition to the thread. That's fully expected. Fire off your insults or whatever- I seriously don't care. Again, a very typical response amongst the letsrun population. However, I sincerely do hope you take my aforementioned advice to heart. Good luck.
So this thread got me to wondering about the prospects of a 3:34/13:32 SC runner for longer distances, and I pulled up the bio for the 5th all-time guy Bernard Barmasai (7:55.72) and saw he had a pretty impressive range up to the marathon:
3:37.24 7:36.40 13:23.23 (No 10,000) 1:02:05 2:08:52.
Pretty impressive.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these