Did Lasse Viren really blood dope before Munich?

You're clearly an imbecile. It wasnt illegal in the legal sense (and still isnt) and it wasn't illegal according to IAAF/IOC rules.Read the thread before you post, moron.

The Word wrote:

He 'blood packed' taking a transfusion of blood that had been previously extracted from his body during his best training phase.

Bill Rodgers himself said Viren 'cheated' in so many words. I heard him say that and was somewhat surprised he did. Bill did not get specific, merely using the word 'cheated'.

Blood 'packing', or loading the body up with additional hemoglobin or red blood cells, can be argued as NOT being an illegal activity, as you are merely placing a natural substance back where it came from...that is if you have a shifty enough lawyer.

Wow, God Bless you and Merry Christmas.

I don't even know you. I did not swear at you or use any profanity.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Good luck to you in life.

Blood doping always ran counter to the spirit of the rules -that's why those who did it, did it under cover. Why pretend otherwise?

People openly train and trained at altitude, but no one openly blood doped. Now, why was that?

qucassidy wrote:

My humble recommendation to you would be that you, with some accelerated celerity, enroll in a local correspondance school, and learn how to speak English and carry on a civil, objective, conversation with someone about current events? All you know how to say is fuk fuk fuk...making palpable your vacuity of cerebral thought. If you ever synergized your sensations of intellect and thought, you might score a few more chicks....as it is, your inability to articulate what actually is going on inside of that thing on your shoulders, is a jeremiad. I know of a really good course where you could learn how to use your cerebrum, your cerebelum and your medula oblongata at the same time. Once having obtained that capacity, you may become confident enough to invite a hooker to take a stroll with you.

Q

Talk about your pedantic onanism!

I used to think that Viren blood doped (OK, packed for those of you who dislike use of the term doping for this action). I no longer think so. Do you know who the Finnish National coach was for several years in the late '60's? A man named Arthur Lydiard. He made champions in New Zealand, why couldn't his disciples make them in Finland? I'm inclined to think that he was clean. It must be remembered that there was not a rule against blood doping in those days, but as someone pointed out, it clearly violated the spirit. Viren has repeatedly denied doing it. Absent a doctor or nurse willing to testify under oath that they assisted, I think we must take his word on it.

You kids must be young. He drank reindeer milk - that's it!

I did not blood dope.

just milk bones

Karlo Manikka (sp?) admitted blood doping after medalling (5k)in Moscow, 1980.

Marti Vanio was busted in LA - 84 (2nd-10k) for steroids, which he put back in his bloodstream while blood doping.

I WANT MY BRONZE MEDAL!!! SHOTER WAS ON SOMETHING!!

The restlessness and anxiety I've felt in my soul since the last interchange of intellectual palaver...is finally mitigated. I am so glad you have improved your ability to dominate the English languauge...and I'm impressed. What I really like is the aggressive nature in which you say..."Fuck you"! Cool man. Just too bad I couldn't meet you on the track where I'd really show you what communication is all about. Remember what Pre did in grade 10 to Jon Anderson in the state cross country champs? who later would win the Boston marathon Lord bless and congratulate hime, (last name may be mistaken), well you'd enjoy the same privelege!

Q

Lasse, what Hotel did you stay in your first N.Y. Marathon?

All those rumours about Prefontaine using 'roids, are they true? What was that Benoit woman on anyway?

Throw enough mud and eventually some of it will stick.

I have the excellent documentary on tape that he made prior to Moscow. He has his sinuses syringed, but no evidence of blood-doping.

Loresho Crescent wrote:

He has his sinuses syringed, but no evidence of blood-doping.

Are you serious? Why would anyone have their sinuses syringed? Does it help?

Viren had a bad sinus infection, so had them syringed.

I think you are missing the point - if enough people start saying that Prefontaine and Benoit were doping then eventually people will think it's true.

Qucassidy-

Would you just shut the f*** up already?! Do you get paid by the amount of stupid shit you post on here in an attempt to sound original or thought provoking?

BDG

qucassidy wrote:

My humble recommendation to you would be that you, with some accelerated celerity, enroll in a local correspondance school, and learn how to speak English and carry on a civil, objective, conversation with someone about current events? All you know how to say is fuk fuk fuk...making palpable your vacuity of cerebral thought. If you ever synergized your sensations of intellect and thought, you might score a few more chicks....as it is, your inability to articulate what actually is going on inside of that thing on your shoulders, is a jeremiad. I know of a really good course where you could learn how to use your cerebrum, your cerebelum and your medula oblongata at the same time. Once having obtained that capacity, you may become confident enough to invite a hooker to take a stroll with you.

Q

Again, shut the f*** up.

BDG

Pre never used roids you dumb f***! There has never been a purer American runner then him; equal yes! But not cleaner.

Pre represented one of the last vestiges of athletic purity, vis a vis drug use, period. Sure he drank some beer! But f*** you for dissing him for this reason re his accident when everyone of you fun loving runners has a brew now and again...cept for the Muslim folk that is!...Just don't f***in diss Pre or I'll put Guerroj on you and he'll freakin blow you up? Just jokin. Pre was pure.

Q