What we've seen is not the Lagat we've been used to in recent memory. His inability to make a dent at the USAs was unheard of, even though he was suffering from sickness. It seems Lagat would be better off moving to the roads where he will still be one of the quickest in terms of footspeed, and he can always tack on endurance (ala Eliud Kipchoge).
On a side note, anybody remember when Lagat closed a 12:59 in 51??
There is nobody in the world that can do that anymore, not even almighty Farah...
Yes
granddaddy time wrote:
the roads where he will still be one of the quickest in terms of footspeed, and he can always tack on endurance (ala Eliud Kipchoge).
entrenched myth that endurance lasts longer than speed. The complete opposite is true.
Yeah, tell that to Kenneth Mungara...Ed WhitlockHerb PhillipsYoshihisa Hosaka..........
Bad Wigins wrote:
granddaddy time wrote:the roads where he will still be one of the quickest in terms of footspeed, and he can always tack on endurance (ala Eliud Kipchoge).
entrenched myth that endurance lasts longer than speed. The complete opposite is true.
Should Lance have retired? Should Regina have retired? Time to retire Lagat before people get tired of what you really are.
What an idiot wrote:
Yeah, tell that to..
Ed Whitlock
I don't know the other names but Whitlock is slow as syrup. He has neither endurance nor speed.
OP, how can you mention Lagat being sick and then disregard it? Being sick is a completely legitimate reason for not performing well.
He is still faster than 99% of the US elites. Maybe a handful young men at best can beat him and that is a big maybe.
People still like Lagat. He's plenty fast. Give him another year, or give him two, if that's what he wants (though I doubt it is). He's a good guy. Race directors like him., The reporters like him,. Runners like him.
Bad Wigins wrote:
granddaddy time wrote:the roads where he will still be one of the quickest in terms of footspeed, and he can always tack on endurance (ala Eliud Kipchoge).
entrenched myth that endurance lasts longer than speed. The complete opposite is true.
That's why Lagat ran 3:26 last year.
moving up wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:entrenched myth that endurance lasts longer than speed. The complete opposite is true.
That\'s why Lagat ran 3:26 last year.
He probably had better endurance then, too.
I'd say he's still doing pretty damn well for a 40-year old.
USAs was an anomaly due to being ill for a couple weeks before and missing a lot of quality training.
On a side note, I met him at USAs after the race and he was very nice. He spent a few minutes talking to my family and took a few photos with us. Class act.
nonsense wrote:
moving up wrote:That's why Lagat ran 3:26 last year.
He probably had better endurance then, too.
Obviously. He'd have been much faster than 12:53, likely faster than Bekele if he'd started at long distance.
The 40+ 100 and 200m records are only about 7.5% slower than Bolt. The non-Lagat record for 5000 is 8.7% slower than Bekele, and Vainio is 8.4% slower over 10,000. Shabunin is more than 9% slower than Komen over 3000. Lagat's the outlier, only about 5% slower than WR in his 40+ marks, but that doesn't mean 5% slower than the record would have been in the longer distances if he had set those records himself. And he's 5% slower in both 5000m AND mile, so at the very worst he has lost no more speed than endurance.
Why isn't he still running the 1500? Probably because the 5000 is easier to get a world medal if you're not the fastest guy. You can place in a tactical 5000 in 13:20, WR x 1.057, but to win the 1500 you usually gotta go 3:35 or WR x 1.043.
Absolutely not
DON'T RETIRE!!!!!
KIP IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO THIS SPORT IN A LONG TIME
Incredible athlete track ambassador spokesman role model and man !!!!
I wish you could stay at the top another decade Kip !
OP,
Mo Farah closed in 50.89s at the British Nationals over 5000m.
Just checking your facts.
Leirbag wrote:
OP,
Mo Farah closed in 50.89s at the British Nationals over 5000m.
Just checking your facts.
Yes, but that was not a 12:59 race. Believe it was in the 14's.
How many times has the following happened? Some pro athlete in a major team sport, maybe coming off injury late in his career, comes back and signs a one year contract for several million dollars. Then some guy calls a sports talk show and opines that the guy should have retired. I always imagine the caller is probably making $35,000 per year.
Lagat will retire from the track when one of two things happens: (1) he feels like retiring, or (2) his performance reaches the point where he stops getting offers from meet directors. Until then, none of us ought to be saying what he should do. It\'s his life and career, not our\'s.
As an aside, although I\'ve never had the pleasure of a handshake with Lagat, my admiration of him grew when Alan Webb was at the height of his career.At every televised meet where Lagat was interviewed, the first question he faced was about the great Alan Webb. It would have been entirely understandable had Lagat given a petulant answer, pointing out that he was a superior athlete to Webb. Instead, Lagat patiently answered and was entirely complimentary of Webb.
granddaddy time wrote:
What we've seen is not the Lagat we've been used to in recent memory. His inability to make a dent at the USAs was unheard of, even though he was suffering from sickness. It seems Lagat would be better off moving to the roads where he will still be one of the quickest in terms of footspeed, and he can always tack on endurance (ala Eliud Kipchoge).
On a side note, anybody remember when Lagat closed a 12:59 in 51??
There is nobody in the world that can do that anymore, not even almighty Farah...
Lagat was amazing in his EPO heyday. But even PED's can only hold back Father Time for so long...
John ODonnell wrote:
How many times has the following happened? Some pro athlete in a major team sport, maybe coming off injury late in his career, comes back and signs a one year contract for several million dollars. Then some guy calls a sports talk show and opines that the guy should have retired. I always imagine the caller is probably making $35,000 per year.
Lagat will retire from the track when one of two things happens: (1) he feels like retiring, or (2) his performance reaches the point where he stops getting offers from meet directors. Until then, none of us ought to be saying what he should do. It's his life and career, not our's.
As an aside, although I've never had the pleasure of a handshake with Lagat, my admiration of him grew when Alan Webb was at the height of his career.At every televised meet where Lagat was interviewed, the first question he faced was about the great Alan Webb. It would have been entirely understandable had Lagat given a petulant answer, pointing out that he was a superior athlete to Webb. Instead, Lagat patiently answered and was entirely complimentary of Webb.
This guy is right on. Lagat can milk the circuit for appearance fees and double dip open + masters prize money for several years still. There is no way he could make more money doing something else. Why should he retire?
13:14 5000
Indoors 3:54 mile and 7:37 3000
This year
Most runners don't easily quit if they are in that kind of shape.
Bad Wigins wrote:
nonsense wrote:He probably had better endurance then, too.
Obviously. He'd have been much faster than 12:53, likely faster than Bekele if he'd started at long distance.
The 40+ 100 and 200m records are only about 7.5% slower than Bolt. The non-Lagat record for 5000 is 8.7% slower than Bekele, and Vainio is 8.4% slower over 10,000. Shabunin is more than 9% slower than Komen over 3000. Lagat's the outlier, only about 5% slower than WR in his 40+ marks, but that doesn't mean 5% slower than the record would have been in the longer distances if he had set those records himself. And he's 5% slower in both 5000m AND mile, so at the very worst he has lost no more speed than endurance.
Why isn't he still running the 1500? Probably because the 5000 is easier to get a world medal if you're not the fastest guy. You can place in a tactical 5000 in 13:20, WR x 1.057, but to win the 1500 you usually gotta go 3:35 or WR x 1.043.
Apples and pears. Let's see the actual record holders compete until they are over 40 before following your logic.