What is the new drug out there? Monaco times are unbelievable.

Tuka crushing a great field, and Dibaba breaking a Chinese WR...AND BOTH OF THEM ARE FRESH AND BUBBLY AFTER THE FINISH?!

Impossible to do cleanly.

Great fields posting historic times remind me of what sprintgeezer said, that it should be basically impossible for the 5 fastest 100m guys in history to all be competing at the same time.

Strange days.

DL surprise wrote:

Chill out, man. When two legendary 1500 records from the peak of the epo era are approached or breached, it would make anyone wonder. When 10th place is 3.30 in that same race, bells go off. When a random guy whose pb was 1.46 in June of this year runs 1.42, it's weird. When a world class runner drops 4 secs from her 1500 time to obliterate a world field, it creates questions. So, relax.

This has happened before in major races. Many times over the years, major, highly competitive races yield this kind of result, relative to the era is it run in.

What are elite runners to do? Train with the goal being slight improvement in time so that the loser posters of LetsRun accept the performance as legit? I say you losers don't know much about the sport in general or training and racing specifically. Based on that I shouldn't get any more upset than if I overheard my old granny saying the same things as you losers as she's talking to her granny friends over the picket fence in the backyard.

Gripe on losers!

yeah,ive also wondered about him,and i agree with you..hes a very blatant cheater,or at least in my opinion.if he doesnt get caught,well then,you just know theres something wrong with the testing procedures.

"This has happened before in major races. Many times over the years, major, highly competitive races yield this kind of result, relative to the era is it run in."

- please list the "many times" this has happened in the post epo era. London Oly 800 is about all I can come up with, and that wasn't a random Bosnian leading the charge. I get it. You're young. You're wanting to believe that this is all natural. I applaud you for that.

You're all losers wrote:

DL surprise wrote:

Chill out, man. When two legendary 1500 records from the peak of the epo era are approached or breached, it would make anyone wonder. When 10th place is 3.30 in that same race, bells go off. When a random guy whose pb was 1.46 in June of this year runs 1.42, it's weird. When a world class runner drops 4 secs from her 1500 time to obliterate a world field, it creates questions. So, relax.

This has happened before in major races.

No, that's precisely his point. This doesn't happen. A 1:46 guy climbs down to 1:42 in a few months? No. An entire field of men running 3:45-3:47 equivalent miles with one man six strides ahead of them? A woman eclipsing Ma's Army with a 600m solo finish? It's not unordinary that a few eyebrows would raise with all of this in an hour of competition.

Some of us remember track and field in the late 90's and the amazing 1500m, 5000m, 10000m time trials those guys were blazing. It was unbelievable. Quite literally.

One of the team sky medical staff who was dismissed for past involvement in doping helped lead a clinical trial in the Netherlands for something called GAS6.

This while he was still in the employ of Sky if I understand it directly. The cycling world was much abuzz about this at the time of Froome's first tour win.

Howie wrote:

One of the team sky medical staff who was dismissed for past involvement in doping helped lead a clinical trial in the Netherlands for something called GAS6.

This while he was still in the employ of Sky if I understand it directly. The cycling world was much abuzz about this at the time of Froome's first tour win.

"Additional roles for Gas6 could be in sustaining an artificially high level of red blood cells with micro dosing of EPO under the drug tester detection level, as backed up in the research paper where combined treatment of Gas6 and EPO in mice produced an even greater therapeutic effect."

Nordic Skier wrote:

"lood doping before this date was a children's game."

-hardly. I can tell you personally that it was tedious, more than anything. Blood was removed (120 days before anticipated use), rbc's spun down, treated, and placed in a freezer. Re-thawing properly was the real trick. Unknown, intermittent power outages were always a concern.

For Goodness sake! The introduction of EPO made blood doping so easy that world records were literally swept away.

Must be nice going through life so naive. "Lala la la lah la".

You're all Losers wrote:

Hey losers. What drugs are you all on to be so cynical and negative. I am so so thankful I am not going thru life angry and depressed as 99% of Lets Run posters appear to be. You are all whiny losers who need help. There are actually drugs that will rescue you from the darkness of depression. Seek out your local psychiatrist.

Why don't you all start your own Website and call it LetsRunSlow. Then you can hail all the plodders and their pathetic age group losses in local fun runs. You can bet they aren't on drugs. Cuz, according to you losers, if you run fast, you're on drugs. So basically you'll be reporting on yourselves: slow, pathetic, plodders who in reality don't know a damn thing about track and field.

All the previous times are at best suspect.

To run 5 seconds faster than that clean seems unlikely.

Something about her build looks unaturally slim to me even for an Ethiopian

DL surprise wrote:

"This has happened before in major races. Many times over the years, major, highly competitive races yield this kind of result, relative to the era is it run in."

- please list the "many times" this has happened in the post epo era. London Oly 800 is about all I can come up with, and that wasn't a random Bosnian leading the charge. I get it. You're young. You're wanting to believe that this is all natural. I applaud you for that.

pre EPO: 1979 dream mile.

hulksmash wrote:

No, that's precisely his point. This doesn't happen. A 1:46 guy climbs down to 1:42 in a few months? No. An entire field of men running 3:45-3:47 equivalent miles with one man six strides ahead of them? A woman eclipsing Ma's Army with a 600m solo finish? It's not unordinary that a few eyebrows would raise with all of this in an hour of competition.

Once again, that's why it's NOT drugs. Why would dopers go so much slower everywhere else?

The track has high radius turns, and is in a sheltered stadium, but there has to be something else about it. Maybe some sneaky tricky techno effect of the kind that have made a joke of indoor performances.

DL surprise wrote:

Chill out, man. When two legendary 1500 records from the peak of the epo era are approached or breached, it would make anyone wonder. When 10th place is 3.30 in that same race, bells go off. When a random guy whose pb was 1.46 in June of this year runs 1.42, it's weird. When a world class runner drops 4 secs from her 1500 time to obliterate a world field, it creates questions. So, relax.

Don't forget a white guy falling down, getting up and running sub 8 in the steeple just a few months after he starts to run the event! Clearly doping! Another white guy winning a silver medal in the an Olympic distance event that has been almost exclusively the domain of Africans for decades. clearly doping!

DL surprise wrote:

Chill out, man. When two legendary 1500 records from the peak of the epo era are approached or breached, it would make anyone wonder. When 10th place is 3.30 in that same race, bells go off. When a random guy whose pb was 1.46 in June of this year runs 1.42, it's weird. When a world class runner drops 4 secs from her 1500 time to obliterate a world field, it creates questions. So, relax.

Don't forget a white guy falling down, getting up and running sub 8 in the steeple just a few months after he starts to run the event! Clearly doping! Another white guy winning a silver medal in the an Olympic distance event that has been almost exclusively the domain of Africans for decades. clearly doping!

Who is this fantasy athlete you refer to? cos pretty sure nothing of that sort ever happened

AICAR and TB-500