Has anyone considered she might be taking the high road? Maybe all she really has left is the slimy story of how Salazar hit on her and thats why Adam and him feud, but maybe shes not trying to make this ugly by airing a lot of personal details like Salazar did.
Furthermore, maybe she is trusting that the investigation will vindicate her and so she can take the spot light off her.
If I remember correctly, Montano did not have a sponsor shortly before her pregnancy. She trains, competes while pregnant, and then runs amazing after her pregnancy.
julsome wrote:
NOP Skeptic wrote:I doubt Nike dropped Kara just for childbirth
If anything maybe cut her pay, but drop her altogether, not so sure about that, especially with Salazar (Nike's star coach) wanting to keep her
Montano was out all of 2014 then came back as US Indoor Champ in the 600m and US Outdoor Champ in the 800m already running 1:59 low
Fleshman and many other female runners weren't half bad in their comeback either
I'm not even sure if Kara left because of her suspicion, but hey, that's just my opinion
From what I was getting from the last Einstein article I think Adam was the main reason why the couple departed and it seems reasobale too
Kara/Salazar had a great relationship while Kara was there, Adam was always the problem
My point wasn't that NIKE dropped her b/c of childbirth. I am also not sticking up for Kara, I used to be a fan, but have been turned off by her lack of good performances and ample self promotion over the last few years.
However, that being said, I do think there is a case to be made that perhaps female athletes that have children while still competing could use some more support. The point is that the amount of time having a child takes out of a running career is much more than another non running career. Thus, as female runners tend to peak fairly late and can extend competitive performances into their mid to late thirties in some cases, it forces women to choose between career and child. This is already a difficult choice, but contracts could generally make it easier by supporting female athletes compensation wise. (Not talking making as much as they would make normally, obviously, and I really have no idea what the status quo is, but this is an issue that has been voiced by multiple female runners, not just Kara or Lauren.)
I've posted quite a bit on this topic. Just a few initial comments:
1. This *is* disappointing. But, it could be that USADA is in a delicate phase of the investigation and they've asked everyone to stay quiet for the time being. Sometimes you have to step back from a particular battle if you want to win the war.
2. Failing that, it might be that the evidence that KG has is not only damning to NOP but to her and Adam as well. If NOP was dirty, then so was she
3. Depending on what drugs the Gouchers were on, it might have been necessary go off them in order for Kara to get pregnant. It's also probably ill-advised to take some things when nursing. Taking drugs is also probably a requirement to stay in NOP. Hence, Kara was let go
4. Regardless of what Kara knows, says or does, she's one of perhaps 20 people who came to USADA the BBC or Pro Publica about Salazar and NOP. The cloud over NOP wasn't put there by Kara alone.
5. AW was a pharmacy experiment. Salazar was at the center of that. When I was in Eugene, the fact that Salazar was a doper was practically axiomatic. He's always believed in better living through chemistry. NOP is dirty.
6. Many many former NOPers have been curiously quiet about this. They're still quiet. If I were a true (rather than paid) defender of NOP, I'd have to wonder why. There is no advantage to Ritz or Webb saying nothing about this. It's only hurting their reputations. Their silence is not a omen for NOP.
7. In spite of all of the above, NOP may walk. Salazar is protected by one of the most powerful companies in the world, one who has a long history of supporting drug cheats in this and in many other sports - and probably more than supporting them. If USADA can't get hard evidence, and, given the regimen NOP seems to be following and the resources at their disposal, they probably won't, this whole thing is likely to go away.
8. If it does, then it doesn't mean that NOP is clean.
I don't think this is over. If USADA comes up with nothing, then Kara et al will have to respond, I think. We'll see.
You're just beginning to see the light? Wow, wake up dude. Follow her on twitter for a day or two and you'll see how she squashes anyone who doesn't say that she is an amazing runner and person. Laugh now, but go there later and you'll see. Whoever posted Kara is an attention whore is pretty spot on. To believe that the posters with negative comments are Nike/NOP shills is kinda ridiculous, don't ya think? She wants attention and wants to be in the spotlight at all times. She recently posted "Sad you feel the need to threaten...again." Please tell me what in God's great name she is talking about besides trying to gain sympathy? Honestly, I think she's lost it and I couldn't be more serious.
beginning to see the light wrote:
Epstein must feel played wrote:The only reasonable conclusion is that what Alberto said regarding Kara Goucher is correct. Conclusions:
1) The bottle of Cytomel was given to her in August 2011 under the direction of Dr. Brown to counteract a cortisone shot. It wasn't for weight loss as she told the world, nor was it given to her in April 2011. This is huge.
2) She never heard Salzaar coach Galen on how to get an IV drip, and Alberto was not fuming that an American doctor refused to given Galen an IV drip in Daegu.
She really is a fascinating woman.
I hope Epstein is typing his apology letter now. I actually feel bad for him. How was he supposed to know she was lying?
I have to say, I used to laugh at those who were claiming that many of the NOP defenders and Kara attackers were some kind of cabal or PR firm paid for by Nike, but the more I read these threads, the more it seems that it's true.
Every thread has a barrage of messages with similar themes, including, but not limited to:
Kara is a drama queen
Kara is an attention whore
Wow, X shows Kara has no credibility
Epstein/BroJos need to issue an apology
Does anyone else notice this?
It stops being the high road when you continue to make unsubstantiated jabs at your former employer- both in the statement AND on Twitter this week.
6. Many many former NOPers have been curiously quiet about this. They're still quiet. If I were a true (rather than paid) defender of NOP, I'd have to wonder why. There is no advantage to Ritz or Webb saying nothing about this. It's only hurting their reputations. Their silence is not a omen for NOP.
Did you ever think that people want to stay out of the drama, media spot light, and the distractions? If they do respond they will be hurting someone whether that is the current NOP or former NOP. When you be willing to strain relationships with your friends/teammates/coworkers? Magness and the Gouchers have put a lot of people in a bad spot.
I spent a few minutes looking through her tweets and didn't find anything like you mentioned. How about you post some tweets here to back it up?
And I must respectfully respond to your last point. Kara will have to be very careful if you truly believe that she "will have to respond, I think" Personally, I believe that she is greatly exaggerating things and should watch her P's and Q's. Things could get very legal on her if she doesn't watch out.
Link wrote:
I've posted quite a bit on this topic. Just a few initial comments:
1. This *is* disappointing. But, it could be that USADA is in a delicate phase of the investigation and they've asked everyone to stay quiet for the time being. Sometimes you have to step back from a particular battle if you want to win the war.
2. Failing that, it might be that the evidence that KG has is not only damning to NOP but to her and Adam as well. If NOP was dirty, then so was she
3. Depending on what drugs the Gouchers were on, it might have been necessary go off them in order for Kara to get pregnant. It's also probably ill-advised to take some things when nursing. Taking drugs is also probably a requirement to stay in NOP. Hence, Kara was let go
4. Regardless of what Kara knows, says or does, she's one of perhaps 20 people who came to USADA the BBC or Pro Publica about Salazar and NOP. The cloud over NOP wasn't put there by Kara alone.
5. AW was a pharmacy experiment. Salazar was at the center of that. When I was in Eugene, the fact that Salazar was a doper was practically axiomatic. He's always believed in better living through chemistry. NOP is dirty.
6. Many many former NOPers have been curiously quiet about this. They're still quiet. If I were a true (rather than paid) defender of NOP, I'd have to wonder why. There is no advantage to Ritz or Webb saying nothing about this. It's only hurting their reputations. Their silence is not a omen for NOP.
7. In spite of all of the above, NOP may walk. Salazar is protected by one of the most powerful companies in the world, one who has a long history of supporting drug cheats in this and in many other sports - and probably more than supporting them. If USADA can't get hard evidence, and, given the regimen NOP seems to be following and the resources at their disposal, they probably won't, this whole thing is likely to go away.
8. If it does, then it doesn't mean that NOP is clean.
I don't think this is over. If USADA comes up with nothing, then Kara et al will have to respond, I think. We'll see.
Every thread has a barrage of messages with similar themes, including, but not limited to:
Kara is a drama queen
Kara is an attention whore
Wow, X shows Kara has no credibility
Epstein/BroJos need to issue an apology
Does anyone else notice this?
Yes that's because a lot of people feel this way. Ask the BroJos if just one IP is being used for these posts. It's not. The majority of posters see the light and carry the above opinions (well I'm not sure any one needs to issue an apology but Kara being the world's largest drama queen is just really obvious)
I'm willing to bet the BroJos, even given their heavy confirmation bias, don't exactly think very highly of Kara Goucher. They've implied it. There was one post were Rojo or Webjo said they didn't think Kara added much to the BBC story other than it looked good to have an Olympian crying on TV. That was an awesome dig on her!
https://twitter.com/karagoucher/status/620011464825241600i tried to see the light wrote:
I spent a few minutes looking through her tweets and didn't find anything like you mentioned. How about you post some tweets here to back it up?
Oh my god, they have a twitter handle for their son's musings . . . .
I'd also like to hear what KMB has to say about KG's statement.
http://karagoucher.competitor.com/2011/10/23/change-is-hard/In 2011 Kara Goucher wrote:
My decision to leave the Oregon Project was a very difficult one and a decision that I gave endless thought and consideration. I have had my best years under Alberto Salazar and after 7 years together he certainly knows me better as an athlete than anyone besides my husband. I have blossomed under him, going from an often injured nobody to a World Championship bronze medalist and Major Marathon podium finisher. To say that Alberto has helped me find myself and my career would be a massive understatement. He has forever changed my life and I feel eternal gratitude toward him.
In 2011 Kara Goucher also wrote:
Alberto, I love you and love being coached by you.
I have loved you for years now and don't see that changing.
Yes Kara, you left because of "illegal actions...by NOP/Alberto Salazar" . Right, whatever you say.
Gurgle wrote:
Oh my god, they have a twitter handle for their son's musings . . . .
https://twitter.com/ColtGoucher
Musing that didn't make it into his twitter feed-
"Mommy, where is Daddy Alberto?"
Flotrack posted KG's statement and there were several comments posted, including one from her sister (her Facebook is closed to all but friends, so I can't verify it is from her, but it is on a password protected account at Flotrack):
Kelly Grgas Wheeler from Facebook
2 hours ago
Chad, you realize you have no idea what you are talking about? She ran for a company that decided not to pay her for six months after Colt was born because they decided it wasn't an injury, even though they were made aware she was going to try to have him and were fine with it on the front end. There are plenty of reasons people can't speak up. Food on their table is typically No. 1.
I agree 100%
This message board has been taken over by either people close to Alberto/Nike or the PR firm.
They only attack Kara, she is the easiest target and it is personal with her. It's a finite amount of people posting hundreds of times, but it is not the general consensus. The majority of people support the whistle blowers and if you don't think Alberto has been proven a liar over at least a few things, you are delusional.
To say USADA will now drop the case is laughable. They surely have far more evidence than any of us know about. Investigations take time, and this investigation does not hinge on Kara Goucher. What about Stiner and Magness? Far more people have come forward with evidence to support the original accusations (including 4 people seeing Alberto either demanding an IV or coaching how to get one). Ignoring all the evidence you want doesn't change the fact that over 17 people have come forward.
I used to enjoy legitimate discussions on this message board but the Goucher coordinated attacks are one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
If what her sister is saying is true then WHY DOESNT KARA JUST SAY/EXPLAIN THAT?!
Kara- people aren't frustrated with you because of "your truth," they're frustrated because of your insinuations without explanation or proof. Nike isn't your current employer, so for goodness sake tell us what's actually happening or has happened or let it go.
I'm not going to seek out your sister's Facebook and check Letsrun for interpretations of your fellow athlete's CAP comment on your vague tweet about shoe companies in order to know what's going on.
This makes me hate the sport.
Boca baton wrote:
Kara- people aren't frustrated with you because of "your truth," they're frustrated because of your insinuations without explanation or proof. Nike isn't your current employer, so for goodness sake tell us what's actually happening or has happened or let it go.
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This makes me hate the sport.
LOL ... AlSal's PR shill.
You are very impatient. Since you do not trust the USADA to do their investigation, and you hate this "sport," then you can leave this "sport."
Kara puts a hater on blast on her Twitter feed. His name is Kyle Stanton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/karagoucher/status/621028918875652096
I wonder what was said.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
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