Should I try to keep training at a summer camp where running is banned?

If you want to gain true outdoor experiences, not the controlled environments you say Boy Scouts are about then you should join the Indian Guides.

colder and wiser wrote:

How can they ban an activity that is required for the Physical Fitness merit badge? If you get caught, plead ignorance and tell them you were just trying to fit in one more merit badge.

+1 on this. Tell your troop leader you're going for a physical fitness badge and will be running early the next morning. He'll say fine and then just run every day.

scoutee wrote:

autoxfil wrote:

Quit scouts. You won't regret it.

Ignore this fool.

Do what you can, safely. Be resourceful. Camp remains one of my best memories. City boys, pretty boys, and mamas boys may not appreciate it, but they are the exception.

The great thing about being out in nature is the enormous sense of freedom and self-reliance. Over-organization kills this joy pretty quickly.

I love being in the woods. I started going on week-long hiking trips with my brothers when I was in middle school. By the time I was in high school, we were spending weeks at time camping during the summer. I can't imagine what a buzzkill it would be to drag along some adult to schedule our days and tell us that we couldn't run. That would have completely defeated the point.

So which does this make me: a city boy, a pretty boy, or a mama's boy?

FC wrote:[/

FireCrafter (http://www.firecrafter.org/) is an alternate rank system. I went thru it in Indiana. Our troops had three top awards, Eagle, Firecrafter and OA. i only made it to life, but got FC and OA. never finished my damn service project. FC was much more camp centered.

This sounds kind of like Mic-O-Say, which is another Indian oriented "alternate rank" type thing I have at my camp in Missouri (Bartle) and one other nearby (Geiger). It's very camp-oriented like you say FC is, but it's highly secretive and almost cultish. There are ceremonies and secret areas of camp, kind of like in OA only more extreme. It's run by a bunch of old guys who donate thousands of dollars to it in order to get in charge. There is some of what I guess you could call hazing conducted by 20-year old camp staff dressed up in Indian garb. It's taken very seriously but is actually pretty funny considering it's a bunch of grown adults playing Indian and picking on kids.

where r u from wrote:

I did though have a bit of a squabble with our pack leader. he yelled at the kids to not run around camp. i politely told him to "never F*cking tell my son what to do".

You sound like a tremendous d-bag.

You sign your son up for an activity which involves "pack leaders" then rudely and obscenely (not "politely") tell him not to do his job?

Great example. Parents like you are why these millennials are so entitled.

OP wrote:

where r u from wrote:

hey fellow Firecrafter....where r u from? i got mine in Indiana. I'm now out east and they don't know what FC is. They have OA but no FC.

What is FC? My camp is in central Missouri and we don't have that.

how can a camp ban running? thats how we got to mess. how we got to the lake. hell, how we got everywhere. walking is too slow.

It's more restrictive now. Like I said earlier, nothing is worse than a lawsuit if some kid trips and falls if you're the BSA.

I am beginning to think that the OP is not a troll and also not a Boy Scout runner, but the father of a Boy Scout runner.

I am beginning to think that the OP is not a troll and also not a Boy Scout runner, but the father of a Boy Scout runner.

I'm just gonna dispel this right here. Just because I can use English properly and aren't totally clueless doesn't mean I'm lying about my age. I'm a scout and also a runner, and I'm turning 16 next week. Read my first post. The majority of HS runners' parents couldn't tell you for their life how far their son/daughter is running this week, and they also wouldn't advocate sneaking out early and running at camp. Besides, why the fvck would some scout's dad pretend to be a teenager, especially on these boards where "millenials" constantly get blasted? If anything, maybe I should have claimed that I'm an adult so you other posters wouldn't question me as much.

you entitled pompous airbag wrote:

where r u from wrote:

I did though have a bit of a squabble with our pack leader. he yelled at the kids to not run around camp. i politely told him to "never F*cking tell my son what to do".

You sound like a tremendous d-bag.

You sign your son up for an activity which involves "pack leaders" then rudely and obscenely (not "politely") tell him not to do his job?

Great example. Parents like you are why these millennials are so entitled.

bite me.

It's camp, go have fun, don't worry about the running. Maybe see if you can get out every other day in the morning for an easy 6 if you feel like it.

What I find surprising is that running isn't allowed?!?!? I realize that things are different now than when I went to camp in the 80s, but no running? All we did at camp back then was run around. Run around the woods. Run around the fields playing football, baseball, basketball, tennis, tag, scavenger hunts in the woods, etc. Run down to the lake to swim unsupervised. Run off the dock and jump in.

I'm sure some kids tripped, or got hurt playing around, but nobody worried about it. If it was serious, there was always the nurse. I just don't understand how something like running can be banned at a camp. I really don't.

bite me wrote:

you entitled pompous airbag wrote:

You sound like a tremendous d-bag.

You sign your son up for an activity which involves "pack leaders" then rudely and obscenely (not "politely") tell him not to do his job?

Great example. Parents like you are why these millennials are so entitled.

bite me.

Good comeback, internet toughguy.

You probably didn't even say that to the pack leader.

OP wrote:

It's more restrictive now. Like I said earlier, nothing is worse than a lawsuit if some kid trips and falls if you're the BSA.

NOT a 16 year-old's post.

Quick: What's your favorite band?

OP wrote:

I am beginning to think that the OP is not a troll and also not a Boy Scout runner, but the father of a Boy Scout runner.

I'm just gonna dispel this right here. Just because I can use English properly and aren't totally clueless doesn't mean I'm lying about my age. I'm a scout and also a runner, and I'm turning 16 next week. Read my first post. The majority of HS runners' parents couldn't tell you for their life how far their son/daughter is running this week, and they also wouldn't advocate sneaking out early and running at camp. Besides, why the fvck would some scout's dad pretend to be a teenager, especially on these boards where "millenials" constantly get blasted? If anything, maybe I should have claimed that I'm an adult so you other posters wouldn't question me as much.

Bieber Fever wrote:

Quick: What's your favorite band?

Lawrence Welk

Patches wrote:

Girl Scouts are very popular, but I've never heard of a girl becoming the equivalent of an Eagle Scout or whatever the female version is called.

It's called a housewife.

scoutee wrote:

City boys, pretty boys, and mamas boys may not appreciate it, but they are the exception.

Or people who don't have the time or money to be indoctrinated in to hating gay people.