Genzebe Dibaba just ran 3:54.11 for 1500 in Spain!

So her splits were:

45

1:48

2:53

3:54

Crazy stuff

It seems the Olympic stadium has changed little bit since 1992:

http://www.iaaf.org/news/report/genzebe-dibaba-1500m-barcelona

ventolin^3 wrote:

it is humanly impossible to run effectively 5k WR & within coupla seconds of your best possible 1500 less than 4 days later

Ventolin, you say this often but never provide proof. Where is the proof that it takes longer than 4 days to fully recover? Also where is the proof that it's only possible to run exactly 2 seconds off your best possible +1500 meters?

Trains with Aden. More needs to be said?

rojo wrote:

haha what wrote:

So an American high school girl can run 4:03 and be clean but an african professional runs 3:54 and she is doping?

3:54 doesn't shock me. My buddies and I have always said, "Ever 14:15 guy in the world can run 4:10 for the mile. Why don't the very top women run faster?"

An agent told me once eh thinks it's because the Ethiopians have little no mid-d history. The coaches laregly over do the speed and burn them out was his theory.

On JK's conversion chart, a 14:19 is equal to a 4:08 mile which would be a sub-3:50 1500.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1739614

There are bunches of 14:15 guys who can't run 4:10 miles. They are all 4:13-4:17 guys who struggle to run 55s 400ms. Is Diababa (or even most female runners) in that boat of being more endurance based? Possible. But personally I think Dibab and company just hasn't run enough 1500ms. I don't know if she is a 3:50 runner but 3:54 doesn't seem remotely insane.

Also true for 800, 5000, 10000

Dibs on Gold wrote:

Whoever wins the 1500 in Beijing will have a hollow victory if Dibaba is not in the race.

xuhdf wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:Best approach is to consider her current 400 ability which is likely 54 or 55

"likely" based on what?

my prolonged observation & decent brain

Seems that the best approach would be to start with times that she actually ran (like statsgangsta)

no

it's a nonsense calculator

too quick under-distance & too slow over-distance or vice-versa

it's not good enough

his "flattening-out" of splits has no basis, it is drivel

i actually pointed out physics of this from oxford physics guys

it needs lot more than this kid's for that topic

and see what 400 time that gives

nonsense

hicham ran 3'26.00

he has a 1'47++pb

you want to work out 400 ability from that ???

Crazy run by Dibaba. I wish I could've watched that one. I didn't even know she was racing.

I think this, plus her crazy victory over Ayana, off uneven pacing (awful pacing, to be frank) and still getting close to the WR, have to make her the best female runner in the game right now. I know for a long time she was better indoors than out, but she's surpassed her staggering indoor 1,500 time finally, and she's close to surpassing her indoor 5K time.

She can get the 5,000M WR for sure. We all know that. But what others can she get? I know she went after the 2,000 once last year, but she should go after it again. It'd be an easy first outdoor WR. With some hardware to her name, she can surpass her sister, which ain't easy.

I'd love to see Simpson get in a fast race against her. I think she'd be easily pulled along to the AR (still pissed she didn't get it last year).

Also, I'm so tired of people saying, "They're doping!" to every fast runner. Unless there's evidence, why even say it? Are people really that cynical? Just enjoy the sport.

Note that I said "unless there's evidence." I'm very happy to see NOP investigated.

ventolin^3 wrote:

reader of the forums wrote:Her former training partnerhttps://twitter.com/Swift__Girl/status/616704129881124865

shame on you

you are a top poster

that gal is a kid & has about as much clue about running as my goldfish who deceased about 4 decades ago

this chumpess wears T-shirts with drivel such as

"Fuuck of Gatlin"

as her crie-de-couer

if she was her training partner, i doubt the association extended to more than cleaning her shoes after Genze's runs

God bless you, Vent. "Chumpess" is a great word. I might have to steal that one. Reminds me of "chumpette" from Futurama.

I agree she has an outside shot at the 1,500 WR. I doubt she'll ever get it, but it is more conceivable than any other lady I've seen in my relatively short time watching T&F. She's a true mid-distance talent. I think she WILL get the 5,000M WR someday, as well as the two-mile and 2,000M ones.

I personally think the 3,000M is out of her reach, especially considering it's ran so infrequently. 8:06 really is a crazy time. Maybe the craziest female WR, along with 10.49.

I posted this on a different thread, but I hope you don't mind if I add it here:

Prior to today's run, the 27 top times in the Women's 1500 were run in 2006 and earlier. Of those, 22 were run no later than 1997. Furthermore, of those 27, 20 were run by Russian and Chinese women. 3:54.11 is the 9th fastest ever. Of the 8 women faster, 6 are Chinese, 1 is Russian, and 1 Romanian.

GoldenMiles wrote:God bless you, Vent. "Chumpess" is a great word. I might have to steal that one. Reminds me of "chumpette" from Futurama

lioness or lionette

i don't think so...

ventolin^3 wrote:

it is humanly impossible to run effectively 5k WR & within coupla seconds of your best possible 1500 less than 4 days later

Unless your name is Komen or Dibaba, apparently.

Ventolin, what are you talking about? My calculator is not nonsense.

This is what I posted:

Using 14:06 with your sub-3:50 (I used 3:49) gives,

400 0:54.49

800 1:55.36

1000 2:27.19

1500 3:49.0

1-mile 4:07.17

3000 8:06.40

2-mile 8:44.86

5000 14:06.0

10000 29:49.08

half-mara 66:38.42

marathon 2:20:18.89

and this is what you posted (AFTER I posted what I posted):

so, 14'05 with

55 ->

1'56.92

3'50.98

5'15.14

8'07.89

54 ->

1'55.46

3'49.19

5'13.33

8'06.37

The numbers are the same or within some tenths of a second of each other. Because of that practical non-difference between our results, if my calculator is nonsense (it's not), then isn't yours nonsense also?

Exactly how do you know it has no basis and that it is drivel? You have no idea how it works or what it is based on. I don't think you've ever even asked. Where is this negativity coming from? I mean you no harm.

I've seen your "physics of this from oxford physics guys". On a quick look, it looks completely wrong and made up which is why it doesn't always give legitimate results.

From what I saw (I could be wrong though, because it was indeed a very quick look), it looks like the oxford guys indeed did have a formula. However, it looks like you switched variables around until you got the results you wanted which means it no longer has anything to do with the "oxford physics guys", so you should probably stop name-dropping them.

The units don't even match up (at least not in any obvious way). In your version of the "oxford physics guys" formula, you are saying that "joules" are equal to "m^4/s^3". Is that really equal to a joule?

Montesquieu wrote:

I posted this on a different thread, but I hope you don't mind if I add it here:

Prior to today's run, the 27 top times in the Women's 1500 were run in 2006 and earlier. Of those, 22 were run no later than 1997. Furthermore, of those 27, 20 were run by Russian and Chinese women. 3:54.11 is the 9th fastest ever. Of the 8 women faster, 6 are Chinese, 1 is Russian, and 1 Romanian.

Yeah, but many of those "suspect" times (ie Chinese, Russian) are not much faster than times ordinarily run every year by various athletes (e.g. 3:57). It's tough to distinguish between clean and doped times in this event. Try backing up through that list to find a "clean WR". Boulmerka 3:55? Jamal 3:56? You get into common times very quickly. Based on this, I think a clean 3:54 is certainly unusual, but still plausible.

Try forming a complete sentence, you bag of sh*t.

The rain in spaín falls mainly on the plane..

.....my fair lady......

the reality is this girl is a grade A doper.

no if's , no but's . plain and utterly simple

no dope ,no "fair lady".

Serrahima was the Olympic Warm Up track. The Olympic track is a few hundred metres east at Estadi Olímpic de Montjuic Lluís Companys.

Yeah big heat wave in Spain. Barcelona wasn't immune (though not as bad as inner Spanish cities which were way over 100F). Hot on Monday and there was wind:

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/LEBL/2015/7/6/CustomHistory.html?dayend=8&monthend=7&yearend=2015&req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

That performance reminded me of Komen's 7:20 3000. Both are out of this world and both ran 50% of the race alone with no pacers and looked fantastic and fresh all the way to the line.

I appreciate both performances and found them incredible to watch... but seriously... this is doping at its finest.